August 9, 1904

LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I have not received the return of the receipts. It was started only at the beginning of July when the other boat ceased to carry on the service. It was disabled for three or four days, and during that time there were demands for another boat, but the service had to be discontinued for a time.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROTJLE.

If it is so remunerative, it seems to me there should be no difficulty in getting private parties to take it up, because there are always boats which people desire to keep employed.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

If the service this summer is remunerative no doubt we shall find private parties who will take hold of it another year. One of the objects in maintaining thei service -is to show that it is remunerative. But, up to the present time, we have not been able to find any company to take it up in a permanent way. A company did make a contract with a view to earning the subsidy, but they refused to carry on the service properly and the contract had to be cancelled.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART.

Why do not you use the other vessel you are building, the ice breaker ?

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

You cannot use the ice breaker there. As I said, she draws too much water. She is a very heavy steamer, fit to break the ice of the St. Lawrence and she could not carry out the service.

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CON
LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

She will carry on the buoy service but not the ferry service.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROTJLE.

We do not seem to be able to get from the minister any information as to the earnings of last season. If we had those figures we should be able to judge whether that service was remunerative or not.

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CON
LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

During the summer of 1903 the ferry service was carried on by a company in which Mr. Connolly was interested. But they did not keep the ferry going during the winter. This spring they refused to go on with the service, so we had to step into the breach and do the best we could under the circumstances, so that the branch of the Intercolonial terminating at St. Denis might not be rendered useless.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART.

When parliament had voted a subsidy and thereby directed that this service should be carried on by a company, where did the minister get the authority to carry on the service himself ?

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

The people have to be provided for.

Ocean and river service-gratuity to the widow of Achille Michaud, in his life time engineer of the ss. ' Druid ' two months' salary, $166.66.

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L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

I remember that a case similar to this was up last year. I do not object to these gratuities, but I would like to know if they are paid in all cases ?

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Yes.

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L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

And the rule is to give the same relative gratuity.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Yes, two months' salary.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

In the case of civil servants the gratuity is given as a matter of practice and charged to unforeseen expenses. But outside the civil service the amounts are specially voted.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

Last year there was a railway wreck on the Intercolonial in which some engineers were killed. I asked if gratuities were given to the widows of these officers, and, if I remember well, I was told that they were not given. I do not see why, if gratuities are to be given, they should not be given to the widow of a railway man who is killed in the service of the country through no fault of his own -for certainly one of the engineers I speak of was not in any way responsible for the accident in which he lost his life. I am not objecting to this vote, but I want to see what is fair and just done all round. I think the minister was going to look into this matter of the Intercolonial employees. Has he done so ?

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I am not sure that I am sufficiently informed to make a definite statement. But my recollection is that there is a difference in the treatment of the railway employees and others because in the railway service there is a special insurance fund to which the government contribute.

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August 9, 1904