August 3, 1904

OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES.

LIB

Louis Napoléon Champagne

Liberal

Mr. L. N. CHAMPAGNE moved :

That the third report of the Select Committee appointed to supervise the official re-Mr R. L. BORDEN.

port of the Debates of this House during the present session he adopted.

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CON

George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

I understand that the report of the committee is for the appointment of two additional members to the staff, for the purpose of making a new index. This, I think, is unnecessary, and is going to involve a great expense to the country. I voted against it in the committee, and I vote against it here. I object to the adoption of the report.

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LIB

Louis Napoléon Champagne

Liberal

Mr. CHAMPAGNE.

In answer to the hon. gentleman and for the information of the House, I will give a few words of explanation in support of the motion now before you. The report recommends :

That in addition to the regular index to the Official Report of the Debates of the present session, an analytical index covering the several volumes thereof be prepared and issued in a separate volume and a sufficient number of copies of the said index he printed and bound for distribution to those entitled to receive bound copies of the Official Report of the Debates.

This is the first portion of the report. The second portion is to this effect:

That Mr. Daniel McGillicuddy be appointed to prepare the index in question to the English Revised Edition, and Mr. Marc Sauvalle to the French Edition, said work to he performed apart from that of the present staff, and that on the final completion of the above work, the foregoing be paid for their services the sum of $750 each.

The first portion of the report bus been considered for some time by those who have taken an interest in the efficiency of the Report of the Debates of this House, and who desire an index to 'Hansard' as complete and as perfect as can be secured!. To attain that object an analytical index has been suggested. During the present session and during previous sessions the matter has been discussed before the committee, and recently a sub-committee was formed to consider the subject. The report of that sub-committee is in substance what is now submitted to the House. Most of the hon. members of the House have had an opportunity of judging for themselves of the importance and the advantage of the improvement now suggested by reading the sample sheet which has been sent to them since the report of the committee was laid on the table the other day. This is an analytical index of the debates of the House during one of the sittings of the present session, both in English and French. It contains in condensed form the substance of every speech delivered on a certain subject, and the names of the members who addressed the House. At the end of each session a separate volume called the analytical index of ' Hansard ' will be published and distributed to those entitled to receive the

' Hansard.' Tills book will. I am sure, be of considerable value, and a great improvement on the present system. Let me quote from the sample sheet, which lias been ordered to be prepared by the Debates Committee, and you will see the difference between the present index and the one which we are now suggesting. One subject, a very important subject, was discussed before this House a few weeks ago ; it was the alien labour question. The hon. leader of the opposition made a speech on that question, and it is indexed as follows :

Borden, R. L. (Halifax).

Promise of general alien law given under pressure from Opposition-3498. In the case of the Crow's Nest Pass the exclusion of alien labour was specially applied to that branch of C.P.R.-3500.

The following are samples of the indexing of other speeches on the same subject :

Bourassa, E. (Labelle).

The exclusion law should not apply indiscriminately-3457. If foreigners are to be excluded let it be understood that only Canadian engineers shall be employed- 3459.

Clarke, E. F. (West Toronto).

American law respecting the employment of foreigners on subsidized or public works quoted ; New York State-3482. Illinois, Idaho, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California-3484. Crow's Nest Pass could not be compared with Transcontinental-3485. The efforts of Mr. Taylor, M. P., to obtain labour legislation praised-3485.

Fitzpatrick, Eon. Clias. (Quebec County).

Government is anxious to protect labourers on subsidized works-3496. All complaints will be investigated-3497. Organized labour will be protected within the limits of what is right-3498.

Now, M r. Speaker, the present index is well made, and it is not the intention to do away with it. An Important improvement was introduced this year by which a partial index is issued from time to time as the session progresses. This, I think, has been found very convenient, but it contains a, mere reference to the subjects discussed and to the names of the members taking part in the debates, without giving any idea of the nature or substance of the speeches delivered. We now propose, as I have said, to publish an analytical index in a separate volume at the end of each session, giving the substance of every speech delivered on every subject in the House. As to the gentlemen to whom we propose to give this work, Messrs. McGillicuddy and Sauvalle. they are undoubtedly well qualified. They are both distinguished journalists, and most competent to undertake this work, and the remuneration suggested is far from being excessive. The work is to be tried for the present session, and this trial experiment will not bind the House for future sessions

in ca.se it should be found unsatisfactory. It was suggested in the committee to have an analytical index made for every session since the publication of ' Hansard ' ; but, as I have stated, we expect merely to have the work done for the present session as a trial.

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Motion agreed to.


QUESTIONS.

WHARF AT ST. MATHIAS, QUE.


Mr. MONK-by ill'. Taylor-asked : 1. What is the estimated cost of the wharf at St. Mathias, county of Rouville ? 2. What amount has been expended on the said wharf to date ? 3. What was the amount of the contract for its construction ? 4. What is the cost of the shed on the said wharf ? 5. What were the wages fixed in said contract of construction in regard to the different classes of workmen ?


LIB

Hon. CHAS. HYMAN (Acting Minister of Public Works) : (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

1. $3,500.

2. $4,727.55.

3. Work was done by day labour.

4. It is impossible to give the exact cost of the shed ; the wharf having been built by day labour, it would be difficult to separate the labour chargeable to the shed from that chargeable to the wharf.

5. There was no contract, the work was done by day labour.

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I.C.R.-TUNNEL AT RIVIERE DU LOUP.

LIB

Mr. GAUVREAU asked :

Liberal

1. Is the Honourable the Minister of Railways aware that the town council of Fraserville passed a resolution, which has been sent to the Department of Railways, asking, as a matter of public safety, that a tunnel be constructed at the Riviere du Loup station, on the Intercolonial Railway ?

2. If so, has the engineer-of the department paid a visit to the locality ?

3. Has any report been made regarding the cost of the work to be done ?

4. If so, what is the amount ?

5. Does the Department of Railways intend to meet the desires of the public, as expressed in the resolution by the town council of Fraserville ?

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Hon. H. R. EMMERSON (Minister of Railways) : (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

1. The minister is aware that a resolution from the town council of Fraserville on this subject was received in 1890.

2. Yes, many times.

3. Yes.

4. $52,657.

5. It has reached no decision on the question at present.

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GOVERNMENT STEAMER ' QUADRA.'

CON

Thomas Earle

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EARLE asked :

l. Have any complaints been received at the Department of Marine and Fisheries respecting alleged ill-treatment of the crew of the Dominion government steamer ' Quadra ' ?

* 2. If so, what is the nature of these complaints ?

3. Are the members of the crew of the [DOT] Quadra ' paid their wages regularly ?

4. What is the arrangement regarding pay for the men ?

5. If, when the ' Quadra ' is absent on a cruise at the time the monthly pay falls due, has any arrangement been made whereby the families of the men can draw their pay ?

6. Who selects the supplies for the ' Quadra '?

7. From whom are supplies for the ' Quadra ' purchased in British Columbia ?

8. Is the government aware that members of the crew assert that the food is of inferior -quality, and is often insufficient in quantity ?

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Hon. RAYMOND PREFONTAINE (Minister of Marine and Fisheries).

'Hie department has received no complaints. All that we know about this question is what we have learned from the reports of the papers.

I intend, when I go to British Columbia, to investigate, myself, the condition of affairs.

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ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.


Hon. SYDNEY FISHER (Minister of Agriculture) moved that the House go into Committee to-morrow to consider the following proposed resolution That it is expedient to provide that the Animal Contagious Diseases Act of 1903 be amended as follows That paragraph (e) of section 2 of the Animal Contagious Diseases Act of 1903, chapter II of the Statutes of 1903. be amended by adding after the word ' farcy ' in the third line of the said paragraph the words ' maladie du coit '. That subsections 2 and 3 of section 12 be stricken out, and the following substituted therefor :- ' The compensation, if any, shall be two-thirds of the value of the slaughtered animal before the same became affected with infectious or contagious disease, or came in contact with, or in dangerous proximity to animals so affected ; provided that when it is clearly shown that an animal has been slaughtered on insufficient grounds, and that the slaughter was not in accordance with, or justifiable under this Act, the owner shall he entitled to compensation at the full value of the animal so slaughtered.' That subsection 4 of the said section 12 he amended by adding at the end thereof the following :- ' But shall not exceed, in the case of grade animals, $150 for each horse ; $60 for each head of cattle ; or $150 for each pig or sheep ; and in the case of pure-bred animals, $300 for each horse ; $150 for each head of cattle ; or $50 for each pig or sheep.' He said : I beg to say that this resolution has been communicated to His Exeel-


LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

lency the Governor General and that he has approved of the same.

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Motion agreed to.


RAILWAY SUBSIDIES.

August 3, 1904