August 2, 1904

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

In view of the doubt that obviously has existed in his department, why does he not obtain an opinion from the Department of Justice ?

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I had never any doubt about it.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

If the minister had no doubt, he took a most unusual course in proposing an amendment that has already taken up the time of this House for a considerable period-

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I did not lose much time when I discovered the amendment was unnecessary.

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Mr. R. L.@

BORDEN-in proposing that amendment as to the uselessness of which he had no doubt. That is the minister's position. He knew that the amendment was not necessary, knew absolutely, never had any doubt about it; yet he has put this country to the expense of having it printed, and the House to the inconvenience of considering it for some time, when he had no doubt on the subject at all. Well, it is not wonderful that our sessions are prolonged when ministers of the Crown will act in this way.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Lecturing an opponent is very easy. But there is this fact. I have declared before this House that I introduced this clause on the advice of some of my officials, although I was perfectly satisfied there was no necessity for it. You see this every day, Bills introduced to test the opinion of the House. In this case it was a small clause introduced to test the opinion of the House. Where is the harm in that, or what is the use in losing an hour or two hours in cross-examining me about what I thought at the beginning, what I thought at the middle, what I thought at the end, and what I think at the present moment. I think this is a loss of time.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I am inclined, to agree that it is hardly worth while to consider what the minister did think at any of these periods, because it does not seem to have any particular value.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

It had this value that the clause was withdrawn.

'Mr. R. L. BORDEN. And because it changed so very often.

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LIB
LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

No it did not.

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CON
LIB

Peter Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

The Bill has now been disposed of, and the hon. member cannot discuss it.

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CON
LIB

Peter Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

He can discuss the propriety of rising.

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CON

Thomas Earle

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EARLE.

I would like to enter my protest as strongly as I can against the course the minister has pursued in regard to trap licenses. If the course he has pursued and is pursuing is continued, it will be most unjust to the canners and fishermen of British Columbia. The commission reported upon the desirability of granting trap licenses.

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LIB

Aulay MacAulay Morrison

Liberal

Mr. MORRISON.

No, if the hon. gentleman will permit me, he is entirely in error in saying that. I happened to be a member of the commission and it reported nothing of the kind.

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CON
LIB

Aulay MacAulay Morrison

Liberal

Mr. MORRISON.

They reported against the desirability of admitting trap licenses.

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CON

Thomas Earle

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EARLE.

That was a year ago, but not against granting them in the future, and I understand that the commission this year, consisting of the hon. members for Vancouver and Victoria were in favour of granting such licenses, and considered it was only fair they should be granted.

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LIB

Ralph Smith

Liberal

Mr. RAEPH SMITH.

Do I understand the hon. member to say that the commission was appointed last year ?

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August 2, 1904