July 21, 1904

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

The hon. gentleman has made a statement in regard to the Regina ' Leader ' and the contract with the late member for West Assiniboia. I understand that that gentleman sold out to my hon. friend who is now the honoured representative of that constituency.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

My hon. friend from Regina, I understand, bought that paper from the late representative of West Assiniboia, with that contract included ; and when the hon. gentleman took over the plant, he did not include the contract.

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Mahlon K. Cowan

Liberal

Mr. COWAN.

The hon. gentleman is mistaken. That was concerning the printing of law reports.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Perhaps it may be as stated by the hon. member for South Essex. My toon, friend from West Assiniboia is here, and he will bear out whether it is correct or not.

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Thomas Walter Scott

Liberal

Mr. SCOTT.

If I may be permitted to say so, I do not very much relish this item which has been brought into the discussion. As far as that is concerned, except as to the amount, the statement of the hon. member for South Essex is absolutely accurate. I think it was $400 or $500 in place of $2,000.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I am afraid my hon. friend is cornered again. What I want to find out from the Minister of the Interior is the policy of the government in issuing immigration literature. The hon. gentleman to-night noticed a discussion in which certain members of this House are charged with garbling immigration literature. I want to ask him if he allows his agents to issue immigration literature in any town in the Dominion of Canada without first submitting it to the hon. gentleman or his officers ? If anything is wrong in that literature, how can he conscientiously right the wrong that may be done by having the literature circulated. The hon. gentleman says he has no objection to any immigration agent providing any literature.

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Clifford Sifton (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. SIFTON.

We have no rule in regard to the matter to which my hon. friend has referred. I believe there have been three or four oases in which agents of the department have assisted in preparing literature for the district in which they were doing the work. Mr. Sutter, the agent at Edmonton, is a very capable and satisfactory agent, and if he asked to be allowed to prepare a pamphlet, I would not have the slightest objection to his doing so. If afterwards he said something in the pam-Mr. INGRAM.

phlet which was improper or incorrect, he would be censured for it in the same way as any other officer.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I think that is a very dangerous policy to adopt. If the immigration department had strong opposition from the railway companies of the United States, some of the employees might be tempted to issue immigration literature t[iat would be very injurious to Canada. Every line of immigration literature prepared by any officer of the government should be submitted to the department and the department should be held responsible for the issue of proper literature. The policy at present pursued is a dangerous policy.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

I quite endorse the statement made by the hon. member for East Elgin. I think a great deal of care should be exercised in the selection of the literature that is published and sent abroad either to the United States or Great Britain, so that only proper literature shall be sent out. I deprecate the idea of allowing private individuals to prepare matter of this kind. But we some times find objectionable literature issued even under the superintendent. I hold in my hand a volume which has been sent out from the Interior Department with the compliments of the superintendent of immigration at Ottawa, and on one page of this volume I find this :

Corby's IXL Rye Whisky, Purity Rye Whisky, Canadian Rye Whisky, Three Government Standards ; Corby's Famous Whiskies, distilled and bottled in bond by H. Corby, distiller, Belleville.

Is it necessary to have this kind of matter put into immigration literature ? I do not think it is worth while to use the money of the country to pay for literature of that kind.

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Clifford Sifton (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. SIFTON.

What is the name of the book to which my hon. friend is referring ?

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

The ' Canadian Year Book ' for 1904, distributed by the Immigration Department. I merely point this out to show that the Immigration Department is not exercising, a proper superintendence over the literature it is sending out. This book contains a great deal of useful information, but this is not the kind of literature which should be sent abroad through the government.

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Clifford Sifton (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. SIFTON.

This is a sort of a year book issued by a private individual. I -do not remember seeing a copy of it before. I remember at the time it was issued we paid something for an advertisement in it.. I think that that is the extent of the connection the Department of the Interior had with it. The circulation, I think, was guaranteed to be so many, and we paid something for the advertising. I am quite unable to see anything improper in that. It

is not departmental duties. The hon. gentlemen are suffering apparently for want of ammunition if this is all they can discuss.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I suppose we will have to submit to the hon. gentleman's statement, but I want to draw his attention to this. The paper was issued May 24, 1904, and the bottom part of the paragraph says it is designed for the use of immigration agents in the United States and in the old country, an edition of 5,000 being printed for this purpose. It is only fair to the committee that a gentleman who is in the employ of the government should submit these documents for the consideration of the committee. I do not think it is right that an agent in any part of Canada should have the right to get up an advertising medium under the guise of an immigration pamphlet and send it out to all parts of Canada, the United States and Great Britain, without the department or somebody authorized by the department examining into it and finding out whether it is in the interests of the people this document should be sent out for immigration purposes. Will he say to whom in Ottawa this agent sent some copies, because no doubt it is in circulation at present ?

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Clifford Sifton (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. SIFTON.

I do not know. I have not seen the document, I do not know what is in it. I am not responsible for what appears in the Edmonton ' Bulletin.' As my attention has been called to the statement that the pamphlet has been written by Mr. Sutter, I will give instructions to have him written to. But I am satisfied to have him write a description of Alberta and the department may be just as responsible as if it had been prepared here in Ottawa in the department itself. I have every confidence in Mr. Sutter's ability.

Contingencies in Canadian, British and foreign agencies and general immigration expenses, including salaries of extra clerks at head office, $533,000.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I understand that the Brandon immigration buildings were destroyed some time ago-one by fire and one by a windstorm. Is it the intention to rebuild ?

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Clifford Sifton (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. SIFTON.

Yes.

Some resolutions reported.

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ADJOURNMENT-SIR ELZEAR TASCHE-REAU.

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Hon. W. S.@

FIELDING (Minister of Finance) moved the adjournment of the House.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. E. F. CLARKE.

Before that motion is carried I would like to draw the attention of the hon. gentleman who is at present leading the House (Mr. Fielding! to a

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cablegram in the Montreal 'Star' of yesterday-July 21, as follows :-

Sir Elzear -Taschereau has left London unexpectedly for Canada. He sails from Liverpool by the * Ionian ' to-day.

It is not known whether this sudden change of plans is due to a summons from Ottawa, but it necessitates his breaking important private and public engagements here, including the hearing of an important Dominion redistribution appeal before the Judicial Committee.

I would ask the hon. minister if he is aware of this, and whether any communications have passed between the Chief Justice and the government, and if the government were made aware of Sir Elzfear Tas-chereau's intentions to leave England as suddenly as he seems to have done ?

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July 21, 1904