July 21, 1904

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Mr. Chairman, I rise to a point of order. The hon. gentleman, as I understand it, makes a statement that my hon. friend from Marquette (Mr. Roche) deliberately and with malice aforethought did so and so.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Exactly.

Mr. SrROULE. Is such a statement in accordance with parliamentary rules of debate ?

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Peter Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

If the hon. gentleman (Mr. Oliver) did state that another hon. gentleman had made a statement deliberately and for the purpose of misleading it is certainly unparliamentary.

Mr. OLIVER, Even if it is true ?

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Peter Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

Yes.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

As a usual thing I pay little or no attention to the Billingsgate that the hon. member for Alberta usually furnishes this House with. I do not propose to descend to that.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I do not think I am out of order at all.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Is the hon. gentleman in order in using the word Billingsgate ?

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I am quite in order and the hon. gentleman (Mr. Oliver) should be the last man in the House to take exception to my remarks.

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Peter Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

The rule is that an hon. member cannot say to another hon. member, anything other than one gentleman would be supposed to say to another.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I presume the hon. gentleman (Mr. Roche) is not subject to that rule.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

If there is any man in this House who indulges in offensive language to members on this side, it is the hon. member for Alberta. When any one differs from his views, the hon. gentleman (Mr. Oliver) cannot combat it in ordinary ianguage, but he must descend to such language as the hon. member (Mr. Ingram) read from the Edmonton ' Bulletin ' in reference to the Toronto ' News.' The hon. member (Mr. Oliver) has changed, his

opinion in regard to the ' Free Press.' He defends it to-night, but a short time ago referring to the ' Free Press ' in the Edmonton ' Bulletin, ' he referred to it as a journalistic prostitute. In view of the language he can indulge in, I do not think there is any lecture coming to me from the hon. member for Alberta.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

This all proves that the Department of the Interior should carefully scan every line of literature that is circulated for the purpose of promoting immigration. The hon. gentleman from Alberta (Mr. Oliver) accused the member for Marquette of deliberately garbling this literature, notwithstanding that my hon. friend (Mr. Roche) denied it.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I will deny it now, if you are not satisfied.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

If we who indulge in honest criticism can take exception to language in this literature, how very likely it is that those opposed to immigration to Canada will use it for their own purpose. I understood from the Minister of the Interior that he rather approved of this literature.

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Thomas Osborne Davis

Liberal

Mr. DAVIS.

The hon. member for Marquette stated that he did not want to publish an untruth, but at the same time he did not want to publish the truth.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I absolutely deny that I said anything "of the kind.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I have no hesitation in saying that under certain circumstances it would not pay us to spend public money-to publish the truth about such things as this.

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July 21, 1904