July 5, 1904

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I am afraid that the hon. gentleman will be endeavouring to get the contract himself in that case. Are there no cars lighted with electricity ?

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

At one time there were. Was that abandoned altogether, and if so, why ?

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I am told by the general manager that lighting by electricity proved to be entirely too expensive and that they required to use the storage battery, which had to be charged at certain points. The Pintsch gas was found to be much cheaper.

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George Adam Clare

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARE.

How many cars did you light with electricity ? ,

ill-. EMMERSON. We have none lighted by electricity now.

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I think about ten or more were equipped and lighted with electricity, but that has all been removed.

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George Adam Clare

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARE.

You say ten or more. It seems to be a remarkable thing to throw away money In testing so many cars, when with one or turn you could have tested it thoroughly.

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

That was the method of ligthing cars that was generally used. The Intercolonial Railway in common with other railways went into the lighting of their cars with electricity. It made a very excellent light, and was a very great success, but the only drawback was the expense of it, and after it had been used for some yegrs it was taken out. The system was removed' 'five or, six years ago, Ordinary oil was used and is being used as a substitute for electricity, but oil is being replaced as far as possible in all these ears which I have mentioned by Pintsch gas.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Might I ask the hon. gentleman to state the relative cost of oil, Pintsch gas and electricity per ear ?

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

The general manager tells me that he has that information somewhere, but it is not available at the present moment. I can get it.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I do not want an absolutely correct answer. Could we have it stated approximately ?

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

The cost of electric light is about four times as great as that of Pintsch gas, with the storage battery light that was used on the Intercolonial Railway.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

And as between gas and oil, what is the difference ?

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

Pintsch gas would cost about double as much as oil. One additional reason for using Pintsch gas is on account of the safety. The oil is very unsafe, as my hon. friend knows.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

When the minister says double the cost, I presume he means the initial cost, or does he mean the cost of maintenance 5

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

The system of electric lighting used on the Canadian Pacific Railway and a great many American roads is a combination of axle and storage battery together. They sometimes have the dynamo in the baggage ear. Has this system been tried ?

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

The system of generating electricity from flip car itself was tried in one of the cars on the Intercolonial Railway. That was tried very generally on the Canadian Pacific Railway, but they found it to be not in the interest of the road and they discarded it almost wholly, as I am informed. Certainly they have discarded its general use in the lighting of their cars.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Do they use Pintsch gas all through ?

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July 5, 1904