June 28, 1904

LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

Will the Postmaster General give the information asked for ?

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Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

The report is somewhat lengthy, and I have trot read it all, but it appears that on the 19th of February the state of the accommodation at that office is reported on by the inspector who says :

The office is kept in a good substantial frame building and is situated on the north side of South Main street. The width of the lobby, inside measurement, is four feet eight inches, the length being about forty-four feet eleven inches. ,

Did the hon. gentleman say eleven feet?

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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

1 said fifteen or twenty feet ; he must be taking in part of the private quarters of the postmaster. The postmaster has a private office behind where he does conveyancing and that sort of thing.

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Perhaps so; I will read on ;

The inside measurement of the lobby is four feet eight inches in width, the length being about forty-four feet eleven inches. At the rear end of the lobby there is a desk adjoining the wall for the public accommodation so that letters can be addressed or business transacted by those who may require to do so. The com* partment where the post office business is trans-

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acted is about the same length, forty-four feet eleven inches by about four feet eight inches in width, which is sufficient accommodation for carrying on the general work connected therewith. The postmaster has his office fitted in a very neat and commodious manner, and I have not found any country post office which has any better interior arrangement. I regret however to state that the public lobby is rather too narrow and that when the mails arrive late and a larger erovd is in attendance than usual, it is considerably cramped and there is occasionally a little discomfort I believe caused to the public. From inquiries, however, I find that there are very few who complain of the narrowness of the post office lobby.

He goes on to say :

The public lobby, although small, is well heated and is comfortable in every other respect, except that it is a little too narrow. As far as I could judge, seventy-five people could find standing room in the lobby. The difficulty this winter has been on account of the late arrival of the trains, chiefly the night trains, arriving at Grimsby, one at about 5.45 p.m. and the other about half-an-hour later, which caused the lobby to be crowded by those waiting on the distribution of the mails. In the summer season, when the trains are running regularly, I understand that little or no complaint is made of the smallness of the lobby. The postmaster at Grimsby admits that the lobby is a little too narrow, and he would like to make it larger if he could ; but on account of the other part of the building being used as a store, he could not increase the size of the lobby. He states also that it is only Mr. Doran and a few of his friends who are agitating the complaint against the size of his office. He informed me, however, that next summer he would see what he could do in the way of providing a larger space for the public. He said that as he only receives $1.20 a year rental, he could net afford to put up a post office building which would cost $2,000 or $3,000. Regarding the second complaint that Mr. Doran makes, that he cannot buy postage stamps or post cards until 8 o'clock in the morning, I may say that the morning mail is despatched at 7.30 a.m., and as there are two stamp vendors in the village, there is no difficulty whatever in getting postage stamps the night before, and it would be unreasonable to ask the postmaster to open his office at 7 o'clock in the morning just for the purpose of selling a few postage stamps. I think it would be unreasonable to compel the postmaster at this season of the year to take immediate action in the matter, and would recommend that he be allowed to continue the office as at present until the summer months, when he will make full inquiries as to what better accommodation he can provide, believing that the agitation which has been gotten up by Mr. Doran, largely emanates from him and a few of those people living in the place who are unfriendly to Mr. Forbes, who is a justice of the peace, a wealthy merchant, and otherwise is one of the more popular men in the community.

This is the report of the inspector. It floes not disclose a very serious state of affairs. At the same time, if it is possible, in a reasonable way, to secure .better, accommodation, I will have the matter'Joplted into with that object in view. : [DOT]

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

I would like to know if there is any objection to my seeing that report ?

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Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

No, I will show it to the hon. gentleman.

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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

The inspector seems to have allowed Mr. Forbes to tell him what he should say. I do not think anybody in the village except Mr. Forbes could say that this is a trumped-up matter. The people who have made this complaint are business people in the community, and are of the same political stripe as Mr. Forbes.

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Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

I will make another suggestion to my hon. friend. I do not think Mr. Henderson would be deceived by Mr. Forbes or by any one else. He has been in the service twenty-five years. At the same time, if my hon. friem is not willing to accept his report, I am willing to send another officer in Ontario, or any other officer my hon. friend names, to make a further inquiry.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

It is not for me to name an officer. What I complain of is the manner in which the inspector does his work. He says that he is satisfied that these people are complaining without good cause. Whether that gentleman or any other goes there, what he ought to do is to hold an investigation face to face with Mr. Forbes, and hear these people and find out what is happening. It is quite clear that the inspector has been misled by somebody. I do not say anything against him other than that. The best judge in the world will make mistakes if he has not the actual facts before him. This inspector must have made a mistake in saying that there is no opportunity of providing better accommodation for the public. This postmaster before his appointment kept a grocery store there, and he has rented practically the whole of that store to another grocer, partitioning off a small portion of it for use as a post office. The post office and fhe grocery store together contain exactly the same number of square feet that the grocery store had before. So he is himself to blame if the walls are not in the right place to give accommodation to the public. The store was formerly 25 or 30 feet wide, and Mr. Forbes took so little of that for the post office that he could rent the store for practically as good a business as he had before. He deliberately made that lobby not more than 4 feet 8 inches wide-I said about 4 feet 6 inches before. He has plenty of accommodation in the interior, but that does not do the public any good. It is for the cbnvenience of Mr. Forbes and those who assist him in the post office work behind the partition and away from the public. If the lobby which the hon. gentleman refers to is 40 feet long, some partition has been taken down since Mr. Doran wrote that letter, because it was not more than 15 or 20 feet

long when I was there about last Christmas. A lobby 4J feet wide is altogether too liar row. The people are entitled to more accommodation.

_ Sir WILLIAM MULOCK. The only object of the department is to see that proper accommodation is given. If my hon. friend thinks that the inspector has not made an accurate report, if he thinks that the lobby is only twenty feet long when the inspector says it is forty-four feet long. I am quite willing to have the matter looked into again.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

I can only assume that, knowing that the inspector was coming. Mr. Forbes took- down that partition, and added the space which was formerly used by him as a private office, to the post office, and the inspector saw it in that improved condition.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

If a change was made, then the office is so much the better.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

In that respect, yes.

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Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

If the accommodation is not satisfactory, I am prepared to send the inspector there again and have him make another report. The inspector hud no object but to discharge his duty, and I cannot understand how he made a mistake. Nevertheless, if my hon. friend would like him to go there again, I will send him and instruct him to make an examination of the premises in the presence of Mr. Doran, or, if he prefers it, I will send another officer.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

I have not seen the report and would like to look at it for a minute. I am not saying that the gentleman who went there was not a proper man to send. I would not say that of any officer, without knowledge of him, but he probably only had one side of the story. Here is what Mr. Doran writes me last month :

The inspector visited Mr. Forbes and advised that a new office be built. This Mr. Forbes agreed to do in the spring, but up to this date there is no sign of its being done. In a conversation with Mr. Forbes some time ago, he said to me that he would be glaS if the matter was not pushed as he intended to do as the inspector had advised. However, as there is no apparent sign of this being done, it would be well to have the matter discussed when the estimates are up.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

I will send the report to my hon. friend and he will then tell me if he concurs in my suggestion.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

Has the hon. gentleman any objection to my sending Mr. Doran what the inspector says in his report ?

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

There is some purely personal matter in it which need not be sent, but I will let the hon. gentleman send whatever portion of the report lie thinks proper.

Topic:   SUPPLY-EMPLOYMENT OF ALIEN ENGINEERS.
Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

I will only send what has to do with this matter.

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Subtopic:   JAMES DORAN.
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June 28, 1904