June 3, 1904

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Edward Hackett

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HACKETT.

I was amazed to see this item in the Auditor General's Report, because there is no necessity for a French interpreter in Prince Edward Island. People there can speak the English language. I think it a mistake to have made in our accounts a charge for a French Interpreter, making it appear that an interpreter is necessary in the communications between Dr. Pethick and the people of that province.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I do not wish at this late hour to open the discussion as to the importation of horses, which has been up on previous occasions; but I would like to find out from the minister if the government have decided to acquiese in the request of the Horse-breeders' Association and those interested in horse breeding in Mr. FISHER.

the Northwest to raise the minimum valuation for horses imported from the United States. The hon. minister does not wish to discuss the tariff, nor do I, but I think that on this item some explanation will be given. I see by the report that upwards of 32,000 horses, many of them inferior horses, no doubt, were imported from the United States during the last fiscal year into the Northwest Territories. I am led to believe that many of these are smuggled, in fact I understand the reports of the officials of the government have been to that effect, and I understand that this smuggling is made all the easier because there is no penalty except a fine-no confiscation or anything 'like that; the smugglers can pay their fine and away. Many of these animals are imported at a low figure-$15 per head and so on. and the number coming in from the United States is out of all proportion to the number going over from our side. The Horse-breeders' Association, in convention assembled have condemned the policy existing at the present time. I understand that deputations have interviewed the government and that resolutions have been passed by several of the live-stock associations. And I think it is too bad that the efforts of those who are anxious to improve oilr stock by the importation .of high priced thoroughbred animals from the old country and from eastern Canada should be made nugatory by the importation of low grade and diseased animals-for many of these. I am sure are diseased-not only during the last fiscal year ffiit for many years past. I would like to find out from the minister if he has decided to respond to the sentiment which is growing in that country against such a policy and in favour of a higher valuation on these animals imported into our Northwest. ,

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

My hon. friend (Mr. W. J. Roche) would, not ask me to anticipate the information that my colleague the Minister of Finance will give to the House, I hope, on next Tuesday, when he brings down his Budget.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Being a question of valuation, it is a question of tariff. The Customs law regulates the tariff and the valuation and only by changing that law can we effect the change that the hon. gentleman suggests. So far as the importation of diseased animals is concerned, that comes within my department. Regulations have just been issued and I will see to it that the hon. gentleman gets a copy immediately- the reading of which will explain more fully what is being done than anything I could say within the compass of a few words.

Mr. GTLMuLR. Is it not a fact that they come in at all points, driven in in droves, and not by railway only? .

Mx-. FISHER. Our regulations will provide for that.

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James Gilmour

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GIEMOUR.

But I wish to state that they do come in in droves, being driven over the boundary line and on up as far as Edmonton or perhaps even further, the drove being traded and changed along the trail. I know it would take a large number of officers to watch horses that are driven across in that way, but it is worthy of consideration what steps should be taken.

Ml". FISHER. I will read the regulations :- [DOT]

3. Branded or range western horses, other than those which are gentle and thoroughly broken to harness or saddle, may be admitted only at the following ports :-

Sarnia, Ont.; Emerson, Man.; North Portal, Wood Mountain, Pendant d'Oreille, Coutts and Cardston, N.WiT.; Gateway, Rossland, Nelson, Grand Forks, Vancouver and Victoria, B.C.; and subject to the following regulations :-

(a.) Such horses must be accompanied by a certificate signed by a veterinarian of the United States Bureau of Animal Industry or by a state veterinarian, stating that they are free from infectious and contagious disease and that no infectious or contagious disease of horses has existed in the district whence they have come, for the period of six months immediately preceding the date of their removal therefrom.

(b.) Owners or persons in charge shall afford to inspectors every facility and assistance for inspecting and otherwise dealing with such horses and shall secure and handle them as directed by the inspectors.

(c.) Such horses shall, in all cases, be subject to detention for such period as the inspectors may deem necessary to determine whether they are free from infectious and contagious disease, and shall be isolated, submitted to the mallein test, dipped or otherwise treated if the inspector so orders.

The Department of Agriculture lias no power to say what animals shall come in and what shall not come in. All we can do is to say how they should be treated, and to stop them from coming in if they are diseased.

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Edward Hackett

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. IIACKETT.

The question raised is a very important one, and I trust will receive the best consideration of the government. The raisers of horses in Canada should be protected, because this country is cajiable of raising as fine animals as can be produced in any part of the world. While I am on my feet, I wish to mention another matter in connection with Prince Edward Island. It is a very solemn affair, and one of great importance. If the hon. gentleman will consult the Auditor General's Report D-70. he will find that Mr. W. H. Pethick, Central Bedeque, was paid $2 for burying hogs. Would the minister state how these hogs came to die in Prince Edward Island. .

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I am afraid I shall have to refer to the accounts before I can give the hon. gentleman an answer to his question. It is possible that Mr. Pethick may have

buried the hogs outside of Prince Edward Island. However, I shall try to see that in future nothing is charged up to Prince E<1 wiird Island that does not actually occur within the bounds of the ocean which surrounds it and bathes its beautiful shores.

Some resolutions reported.

Mr. BTSHER moved the adjournment of the House.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

What business will be taken up on Monday ?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I think we will take one or two Bills, and if we go into the estimates, the Minister of Marine and Fisheries will submit his estimates.

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Motion agreed to, and House adjourned at 10.50 p.m.



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