June 3, 1904

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CON

Edward Guss Porter

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PORTER.

I would like to know if he will endeavour to get as much for the vessel as possible, to get its value any' way,

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I will assure the hon. gentleman it will not be sold in any secret manner.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I regard this as a very loose manner of voting money. It is not a proper discharge of duty by a minister of the Crown. The duty of the minister as I understand it. in voting money for any purpose, especially for a new undertaking is to submit to the House a well prepared estimate of what the country is being committed to. and will be expected to pay in the aggregate. We are asked here for $20,000 to commence the building of a vessel, but we do not know whether it will cost $30,000 or $1,000,000 in fact we have no information at all. We have so often in this House committed ourselves to undertakings that turned out entirely different to what the government anticipated they would that it makes us rather chary in voting such an item to-night. The government must have known through its officers that this vote is needed, and the lack of information shows disregard of that courtesy with which parliament should be treated. I think the vessel should be built either in British Columbia or down here and preferably by our own men.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

It will have to be built there, it could not be taken out.

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Thomas Earle

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EARLE.

I think they can build a vessel there. They have just completed one there for the Admiralty* which is very satisfactory.

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CON
CON

Rufus Henry Pope

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. POPE.

I do not see why we should not have an assurance that the boat will be built in Canada.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

It will be built in British Columbia. *

Cattle quarantines and veterinary division,

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

This is the usual quarantine vote, the same as we had last current year and I hope the service will be carried out in just the same method as for the last year. The work has been onerous, but I think on the whole extremely successful. Difficulties have arisen and are constantly arising but by the energy of the officer and by the skill and knowledge of our inside staff on the whole I may congratulate the committee (hat the health of the animals it better than it is in most countries. This fact is largely* due to the measures of prevention and sanitation which our officers have been able to carry out. The work is two-fold in its character : first, the prevention of the importation of disease into our animals from outside the country, and secondly*, the looking after, along certain lines and in certain ways, the health and sanitation of our domestic live stock.

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Mr. GITMOTJR@

I suppose this quarantine applies all along the line from coast to coast but more particularly the line out in the Territories ?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

within the range of possibility that tick infested cattle entering the country during the summer months might be the means of introducing the disease, and of causing considerable loss before the first frost put a stop to its ravages.

He also states that several officers on the line and others south of the line tell how difficult it is to have these cattle properly inspected. Even after inspection, they may in a short time turn out to be affected with the Texas fever tick. He also cites Dr. Salmon to the effect that animals coming in have been found to be affected, and that a carload was known to have gone into Canada and was there at the date of his report, in October, 1003. After setting forth the dangers, Dr. Rutherford says :

I propose to make a further investigation of the whole subject during the coming winter, and hope to be in a position to recommend a definite policy before the trade recommences next spring.

I would ask the minister If he has fully considered the subject, and if be is prepared, the season is now on when these cattle will be coming in, to state what he has done to meet this danger to our cattle, not only in the west, but all over the country.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I am glad to be able to inform my bon. friend that Dr. Rutherford has been able to carry out bis intention as expressed in liis report. He has made the necessary investigation, and has promulgated regulations covering the point alluded to. These regulations were issued in March last, and deal with the importations from Mexico. These cattle are first of all carefully inspected at the United States frontier by the United States authorities. They then come through the United States in bond, and are again inspected by our inspectors. Section 54 of these regulations says :

Any person contemplating the importation of animals from Mexico, must, in addition to all other requirements of this order, first obtain from the minister a permit stating the number and kind of animals to be imported, the district and state in Mexico whence they are to be shipped, and the probable .date of their arrival at the Canadian port of entry. The person applying for such permit shall furnish satisfactory proof of the facts hereinbefore set forth.

Then, section 55 provides :

Animals passing in bond through United States territory for importation to Canada must be accompanied by a certificate of health signed by a veterinarian of the United States Bureau of Animal Industry and by an aflidavit from the owner or importer that the said certificate refers to the animals in question. Such animals shall nevertheless be subject to inspection and if necessary to detention before being permitted to enter Canadian territory. If found diseased such animals are to be Mr. GILMOUR.

subject to and dealt with according to the orders of the inspecting officer under instructions from the Veterinary Director General. The expense of treatment, should such be deemed advisable, must be borne by the otvner or importer of the animals treated.

We consider that this regulation will completely cover the cases referred to by my hon. friend. My hon. friend spoke of some animals having come in last year. There was an importation, but we held the animals on the borders of Canada and quarantined them for the necessary time before they were liberated. The result of that has been satisfactory, because there has been no suggestion that they brought in any disease. They came through after inspection by the American authorities. The details of the importation are contained In the report. We were notified by the Washington authorities of their coming, and we held them because of the uncertainty of the matter at that time. The regulations which I have just read had not been promulgated, and we could not act upon them ; but we took the steps we did under the general regulations to guard against these animals bringing disease into the country.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

We have adopted a new plan all along the frontier, providing that animals shall be allowed to come in only at certain ports, and at each of these ports we have an Inspector :

The following customs ports are hereby declared to be animals' quarantine stations, and all animals imported Into Canada subject to quarantine must be entered through said stations, viz.:-Halifax, N.S., St. John, N.B., Charlottetown, P.E.I., Quebec, Sherbrooke and St. Johns, Que.; Niagara Falls, Windsor and Sarnia, Ont.; Emerson, Man.; North Portal, Wood Mountain, Pendant d'Oreilie, Coutts and Cards-ton, N.W.T.; Gateway, Rossland, Nelson, Grand Forks, Vancouver and Victoria, B.C.

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June 3, 1904