June 1, 1904

LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I said that Canadian flour was unknown on the Japanese market as Canadian flour.

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CON

Rufus Henry Pope

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. POPE.

But we had previously shipped Canadian flour as Canadian flour. The minister told us just now that the representative of this government went there five years ago and introduced this trial shipment 5 or 6 years ago. Yet the minister stands up and says that this exhibition was the means of the introduction of Canadian flour into this market when he knew it had been introduced 4 or 5 years ago.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The introduction of 4 or 5 years ago was a failure, and as a result of that failure the shipments were not followed up. When the exhibition took place Canadian flour was unknown as Canadian flour in the Japanese market.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Would the hon. minister explain what kinds of goods were purchased by his government and exhibited at the Japan exhibition ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The articles sold were, rubber goods, paper and pulp, pulp wood, some products of pulp in the shape of pails and vessels of one kind and another, butter, canned goods, lumber in the shape of shingles, finished lumber and sashes, doors, Ac., some glass goods, furniture, a small exhibit of bicycles and bicycle parts, flour for the making of bread, a small exhibit or ropes and cordage, a few hams and bacon, cooking stoves, oil stoves, tinware, a baking machine and oven. There was some honey and a piano. Those were the sales. A large number of goods were of a perishable character, apples and fuits for instance, which we could not sell. By the time they had been exhibited they were no use. We were asked by the different agricultural colleges of the government in Japan for our exhibits of grain, &c. We

presented them to these Institutions as specimens of Canadian products and charged nothing for them.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir. BLAIN.

At D-24 of the Auditor General's Report, I see an item-

The Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Toronto, oak bureaus, 5 at $18 ; maple bureau, $23

Would the hon. minister say whether these articles were selected as first class products of Canadian makers of furniture, and would he regard this as a proper exhibit of what the Canadian people can do in the way of manufacturing furniture ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

No, they were selected as furniture likely to be suitable to the demands of the Japanese market. We could not sell the highest class there at all. We bought such furniture as would be suitable to that purpose. The items my hon. friend mentions came to $103 and as a matter of fact we sold there furniture to the extent of $568.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Just those items?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I cannot say there was nothing else but that was the chief item. It may possibly have included the school desks which were sent over. I do not see any sale of school desks here.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Would it not be possible when the hon. minister makes an exhibit at a place such as the Japan exhibition to get the Canadian manufacturers themselves to supply these goods, if the government pay the cost of freight, care of the exhibit, Ac.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

We tried to get the Canadian furniture manufacturers to do that, but failed. At Buffalo, the year before, this very association supplied us with furniture for our Canadian building and took it back after the exhibition, we paying some slight wear and tear. We tried to get them to do the same in the Osaka exhibition, but they said that Japan was so far away and the market so uncertain that they did not care to do it. Except flour, there was no part of our exhibit in Japan in which there was a better opening than in furniture. We had demands for it the moment it was shown, and could have sold it all within a week after the opening of the .exhibition. But we kept it there and sold it at the end. The articles were sold to high officials such as the minister of agriculture, the prime minister, one of the prince's and so on. They thought so much of the furniture that they were eager purchasers. They had not seen anything to equal it. I have urged upon the Manufacturers' Association to send an agent to Japan to take advantage of the opportunities opened up by the exhibition, for I felt sure that they could immediately work up a very large trade. But they have not

done so simply on the plea that their orders are so great that they cannot fill them and they have no time to attend to this foreign market.

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CON

William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

The minister has been badly informed as to the state of the furniture trade in Canada.

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CON

Thomas Inkerman Thomson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. I. THOMSON.

I am glad that Canadian furniture is so favourably regarded in the Japanese market. Judging from the sale of rubber goods from that exhibition there should be a good market for these. I understood him to say that the rubber goods were sold for $400, and according to the Blue-book I find that they only cost the country $220.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Of course, we added the freight charges which would be heavy on such goods.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

But they would not be $200.

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CON

Thomas Inkerman Thomson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. I. THOMSON.

What is the hon. minister's explanation of this sale of rubber goods that cost the country $200 for $400.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

That is the figure in the statement furnished me by the officers in the department.

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LIB

Andrew Thorburn Thompson

Liberal

Mr. T. I. THOMPSON.

And does the hon. minister credit it ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Yes.

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CON

Thomas Inkerman Thomson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. I. THOMSON.

The hon. minister does not believe it is the same as the statement about the flour ?

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June 1, 1904