April 6, 1904

LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

No.

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Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

Yes, I will read it again.

When I addressed them-in the month of April last year it must reasonably be expected that such a scheme must ho carried through without engaging in any way

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Yes.

Mr. OSLER, Surely ' in any way ' means that it would not engage their credit to even the extent of one dollar.

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Does the hon. gentleman (Mr. Osier) draw any distinction between Sir Rivers-Wilson's statement of the case in the month of April, 1903, and the Act passed by this parliament towards the close of the year 1903, creating the contract ?

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CON

Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

Let me read on.

Such was my conviction at the time. (A voice : I hope it is so now). Such was my conviction at the timb founded upon resonable data, and in view of the proceedings to which I nave

alluded, I must confess that when I made that suggestion I appear to have been somewhat over sanguine.

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Hear, hear.

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CON

Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

That was after he had his negotiations with the government. Ale does not say that the governement objected to that at all ; he does not say that the government wanted to impose the obligation of a dollar on the Grand Trunk shareholders ; but he says :

I appear to have been somewhat sanguine, not sufficiently considering, perhaps, the weight of political opposition which the scheme was" destined to encounter.

He was not considering that the opposition-

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Not ' the ' opposition-political opposition;

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CON

Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

Political opposition is the opposition in this House, and if it had not been for the Conservative opposition, you might have opened the treasury doors to Mr. Hays and the president of the Grand Trunk, and every one of the ministers would have apparently gone down on their knees and said : Please gentlemen if there is anything more that you have not got, take it, and we will endorse, your note for anything else you may require. But the Conservative opposition checkmated the Grand Trunk president's idea that he was going to get this big plum without one shilling of liability, and he had to go back to his shareholders and say :

It has been accordingly found Impossible to carry the measure through the Canadian parliament without imposing some limited obligation on the Grand Trunk Company ; not by any means however as I think I shall satisfy you-

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LIB

Alexander Johnston

Liberal

Mr. ALEXANDER JOHNSTON.

Have you got any more of the books from which you are reading ? >

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CON

Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

Yes, I shall be glad to supply the members of the government with a verbatim report of the meeting of the shareholders of the Grand Trunk, and I think it will do them good. They apparently are ignorant of the scheme they are endorsing and committing this country to.

Our original idea was to build from a point on the Grand Trunk Railway to the Pacific coast. The intention was that the point of junction should be at or in the neighbourhood of North Bay. It was made, however, by the government a condition of the grant of the charter of the Grand Trunk Pacific Company that the line should be extended eastward from North Bay to Quebec into the city of Moncton, in New Brunswick. ... As a result, however, of the negotiations with the government, another Bill was introduced by the government itself for ensuring the construction of the contemplated line from New Brunswick to the Pacific in joint partnership between the government and the Grand Trunk Pacific Company.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I deny it.

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CON

Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

I appeal to the Prime Minister, if it is not so how can he inform this House that he has allowed six months to go by and now comes here and tells us that the government have no more information with regard to that country than they had when we left here six months ago ?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I deny the statement of the hon. gentleman absolutely in every particular.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The statement just made by the hon. gentleman that the Grand Trunk had reports of surveys so bad that we would not let them put those reports in. They have not had the section east of Abitibl surveyed yet and we have no reports from them.

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CON

Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

Of course, I accept the statement of the hon. gentleman. But as a business man I cannot understand how he can make such a statement. Last year we were assured that this was an all-important matter, a matter that could not wait, and now the Prime Minister tells us that they have not taken the first steps to ascertain whether the country is good or bad. That is not business. I think it quite justifies the opposition and the country in drawing the inference-in fact, it is the only possible inference-that the government have no intention of building that road. There is no excuse that can be valid as coming from a government that took the position this government did six months ago in regard to this railway. Instead of coming down with any new information, they say : We give you the account of that country by an enthusiastic missionary, two hundred years ago, and we are going to build a railway on his report.

I do not often talk long, but I have a text here that I could speak on for two or three days-but I am not going to. I want now to take up a question that was so eloquently handled by the Minister of the Interior, the question of the rolling stock. He made a statement here this evening in connection with the rolling stock, and the statement he made, with all earnestness and apparently in all sincerity, gives me a key to understand the reason of this scheme. It means that the men who have gone into this scheme are totally ignorant of what it involves. Now the Grand Trunk general manager states distinctly that the $15,000,000 of rolling stock contracted for is to bo supplied by a rolling stock trust. The Minister of the

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S59 COMMONS

April 6, 1904