March 29, 1904

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James Sutherland (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. JAS. SUTHERLAND.

That was for this same site. We are revoting $8,000.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I understand that. This is only for the post office ?

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

When this matter was up last year the hon. minister made a statement in regard to it and perhaps it would be well if I were to read what he said :

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

It will probably cost in round figures $100,000. The city is growing very last and accommodation to about that extent is required. We are now paying very heavy rentals and I think it is a good business proposition to have all our offices in one building in Vancouver.

What is the explanation ?

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James Sutherland (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. JAS. SUTHERLAND.

I do not exactly catch the connection. It Is perfectly true that we are paying heavy rents in Vancouver. What about the $100,000 ?

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Mr BLAIN.

I cannot catch the connection either. When the Vancouver public building item of $60,000 was up last year my hon. friend made the statement.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

It will probably cost in round figures $100,000. The city is growing very fast and accommodation to about that extent is required. We are now paying very heavy rentals and I think it is a good business proposition to have all our offices in one building in Vancouver.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

It is for my hon. friend to explain that.

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Mr JAS. SUTHERLAND.

Yes. tt Is rather difficult. I do not understand ti statement at all.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

This is not tlie only one that the hon. gentleman cannot explain.

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James Sutherland (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. JAS. SUTHERLAND.

I am pretty nearly always right in my statements. Very often in the discussion of these items, I cannot hear lion, gentlemen clearly and they cannot hear me. and it may be possible that in discussing these items in a conversational way, the reporters may not catch exactly the statements that are made.

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LIB

James Sutherland (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. JAS. SUTHERLAND.

'Well, I am speaking in earnest. I am net asking for any favours from the hon. gentleman in regard to this matter. If the statement is there, I cannot explain it. It must have been a mistake ; that is all. My hon. friend must know that there is a liability to errors of this kind. Have I ever shown a disposition to misinform the House in regard to giving it information ? If the quotation is made it is certainly a mistake. I could not have made any such mistake as that and I would not come here and give a- figure which I knew would be contrary to what was expected and which would be unreasonable. There may be times when there may be differences in the figures that are given for reasons which are quite understandable, but this statement is quite unreasonable.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

I think that the committee has not at all dealt harshly with the hon. gentleman. People are usually let off on the first offence, sometimes on the second and sometimes on the third, but that does not condone the hon. gentleman's offence in any way. Statements have been made by the hon. gentleman-I am not going to say that he made these statements in an attempt to deceive the House-which have disclosed a looseness, a carelessness, and an utter disregard of exactness and correctness on the part of the hon. gentleman's officers, if they were speaking through him to this committee. This is no doubt a serious state of things, and I have no doubt that the hon. gentleman probably spoke at that moment from information which was given him ; but his information was faulty on that occasion and it has been faulty on many other occasions. It has been urged with great reason that the hon. minister in seeking to get his estimates through should give only such estimates as may be carried out and if he is unable to carry out these statements, *he should come back and get a new mandate before he expends one dollar of money. The hon. gentleman will surely not show any temper. I do not think he has any good reason to do so, because, over and over again during the sittings of this committee, it has been pointed out that he has made statements, which, without being construed in harsh terms, may be said to have shown him to be acting in bad faith.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

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