September 7, 1903

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HUGHES (Victoria).

Will every newspaper have the right to become an incorporated member of this association ?

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

Every newspaper which is willing to join the association will undoubtedly have the same right of membership as any other. The Bill says :

No payment shall be made under the authority of this Act until the Minister of Finance has satisfied himself that the benefits of the service are open on fair and reasonable terms, to all newspapers published in Canada.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

That will include Prince Edward Island ?

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

Yes, Prince Edward Island is a part of Canada, notwithstanding that some gentlemen opposite sometimes treat it differently ; but it is as much entitled to consideration as any other part of Canada. There is a difficulty about the telegraph service in Prince Edward Island, but that is part of a large question and cannot be dealt with in this Bill.

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Mr. OLARIOS@

It Is worthy of consideration.

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The MINISTER OP FINANCE.

I sympathize entirely with the complaint of my hon. friend from Prince (Mr. Hackett). I think the telegraph company down there has been a little slow and old-fashioned, but when they find another company coming in under the legislation of this session, as they probably will, they will display more activity than in the past

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

What is this Anglo-American Company ?

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The Cable Company of Prince Edward Island was founded many years ago with English capital, and I think they afterwards sold out to the present company.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

I think the government should own a cable across to Prince Edward Island.

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James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES (King's, P.E.I.).

I wisii to say a word with regard to the telegraph service of Prince Edward Island. I do not know that this is the most opportune time to bring the question up, but since it lias been raised, I wish to remove, if I can, a certain amount of misapprehension that t think exists in the minds of certain of the hon. gentlemen in regard to this matter. It has been stated by my hon. friend from West Prince (Mr. Hackett) and others, that we are under certain disadvantages in regard to the hours of the telegraph service, and also as to the cost. While it might he true, as stated here, that there are other places in Canada which are under a like disadvantage, yet it must be borne in mind that it was one of the terms of confederation that the government was to maintain a telegraphic service between Prince Edward Island and the mainland. I do not know that the same condition exists in regard to the telegraph service in any other portion of Canada, and that important factor must be remembered when you are considering this question in connection witli Prince Edward Island. I submit that the Dominion being bound to maintain a service, it means that it shall maintain an efficient and satisfactory telegraph service.

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CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

Where is that condition to be found ?

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James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES (P.E.I.).

In the terms of union. 1873. While the government is now paying $2,000 a year to the Anglo-American Company as a subsidy for that service, which is not satisfactory, it is my judgment that the government would be justified, either in increasing that subsidy to get an efficient service, or in taking some other steps to secure such a service.' I would take it that a service which might be satisfactory twenty-five or forty years ago, would not be satisfactory to-day. I would assume that I

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. Mr. FIELDING.

it could be argued in law, that a public utility of that kind must keep pace with the progress of the age in order to maintain its efficiency. I have every confidence that the government will take steps to see that the telegraph service to Prince Edward Island will be improved in the near future.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

If this cable to the island is subsidized to the extent of $2,000 annually, it might be proper for us to say that If that subsidy is to continue, the Prince Edward Island newspapers should get the benefit of this special Dominion cable.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

If the subsidy were not paid to this Anglo-American Company in conformity with the terms of confederation, then I suppose they would get no service at all. I hope some means will be found to improve the telegraph service to Prince Edward Island, but I do not think that the stoppage of the subsidy would have any good effect.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

It might be worth trying.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

If we have an agreement with Prince Edward Island to maintain a proper telegraph service, then we should insist that Prince Edward Island should get the benefit of this news supply, for which the people of Prince Edward Island as well as the people of other parts of the Dominion, are paying such a large subsidy. I have no doubt whatever that the Anglo-American Company is making something out of its business or else it would not maintain it, and it will not be necessary to resort to such drastic measures as the Minister of Finance suggests in order to remedy the evil. I am perfectly convinced, that an intimation from the government that they will establish a telegraph service, if the company is not reasonable, or that the subsidy will be withdrawn, would have the desired effect.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

I do not see how any possible change in this Bill would meet the difficulties pointed out by my hon. friends from Prince Edward Island. This Bill relates to the news service only ; the other matter concerns the entire telegraph service. I sympathize warmly with the hon. gentlemen on their desire to get a better telegraph service for the island.

I feel certain that the newspapers will adjust this matter among themselves much more effectually than we could adjust it for them by any amendment we could make to this Bill.

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Mr. BLAIX@

The Minister of Finance has said that the Canadian Associatel Press will largely control this $15,000 a year, and that any daily newspaper can upon application to the association come in on equal terms and become a member, and being a member will have the right to receive this cable news on the same basis. I would point out to the Minister of Finance that there may be some publishers of daily news-

papers in Canada who would not be in a position to become members of this association. Will the members of the association have the right to fix the fees without confirmation of the government ? In my opinion the fees should be subject to the approval of the Governor in Council.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

If any difficulty of that kind arises, we shall have power under the terms of this Bill to deal with it by regulations. I do not anticipate any such difficulty however. This is not a grant to an association already established ; it is a grant {or the press of Canada generally. I think I am correct in stating that a circular has been sent to the proprietor of every daily newspaper in Canada, inviting him to join in this arrangement on fair and equitable terms, and if he fails to come in, I must say I do not see how he can claim the benefits of the arrangement. I understand that a distinction is made between the amount expected to be contributed by a large daily newspaper like one published in Toronto or Montreal, and smaller papers like those published in Prince Edward Island. I understand that the association intends in that way, as it were, to temper the wind to the shorn lamb. All I can say is that if representations are made to us that any newspaper in Canada is debarred from the privileges of this arrangement, it will be the duty of the government to make regulations to protect it.

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September 7, 1903