July 31, 1903

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I think the right hon. minister should give the committee a statement of the different negotiations that were entered into by this government in respect to the fast Atlantic steamship service.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

I have already stated what was done.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

The right hon. gentleman has stated what was done with the last contract. I am asking the right hon. gentleman to give the committee a statement of the different negotiations, correspondence, &c., that were engaged in by this government since they came into office in 1890 up to the present time-just briefly ; I do not ask for a detailed statement. I would

like the right hpn. minister to give us a statement as to the amount of money that has been expended for negotiating the differ-, ent services that have not matured since they came into office.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

I may answer the last question first by saying that I do not think any amount of money has been expended in negotiating for the fast service. The only amount of money that has been brought into question in regard to the matter has been the $50,000 which was deposited by Messrs. Petersen, Tate & Company and afterwards returned, or to be returned by vote of this House. As to the progress of these negotiations it has been briefly this : A couple of propositions were made in 1896 to the late government, but neither of them came within the form of a regular tender. After that Mr. Petersen, as the committee is aware, proposed to give the service required for $750,000, $500,000 to be paid by us and $250,000 by the imperial government. The negotiations were spread over a period of three years, and as hon. gentlemen are aware the Boer war took place and the cost of the construction of shipping went up to such a figure as to render it practically impossible to make any bargain at all. Since that there have been no negotiations except those witli which the House is acquainted and which are contained in the papers that were laid on the Table the other day, and having reference to the two tenders submitted by the Messrs. Allan and by another company.

Steam service between Halifax, St. John's, Newfoundland and Liverpool, from July 1, 1903 to June 30. 1904, $20,000.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

This is the usual vote which we have been giving for several years for this service. The vessels sail once every 17 days. The present contract is with Furness, Withy & Company.

Steam service between St. John and Glasgow during winter of 1903-4, $7,500.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

This is for ten round trips during the winter between St. John and Glasgow. This is performed by the Messrs. Donaldson, of Gla'sgow, represented by the Robert Reford Company, of Montreal. We pay them only $750 a trip and they give a fortnightly service. Representations have been made from the merchants and the people using this service to the effect that this is a growing trade and they are very anxious to obtain a weekly service in place of a fortnightly service during the winter. Probably we will have to submit a further sum in the supplementary estimates for doubling the service, but I am at present only asking the regular vote which has been

given every year, amounting to $7,500 for ten round trips.

Steam service between St. John, Dublin and Belfast during the winter of 1903-4, $7,500.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

This is a similar service to the last, and is performed by what is known as the Head line. Of course, they are only paid per trip. If they fail in making the number of trips the price is proportionately reduced.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

They always earn their money, do they not ?

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

No, they do not. One year they failed in giving a complete service and the sum was reduced. They are paid simply for the work actually done. The object, of course, is to put ourselves in communication with the important centres of population in England and Ireland.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

Yes.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

Why is it necessary to have two or three different companies doing practically the same work ? Why cannot the line that calls at Glasgow, call at Dublin as well ?

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir. WILSON.

But it is reasonable to suppose that we could get the service performed by one company for less than we now pay to have it performed by two or three.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

I am afraid not.

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The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COMMERCE.

If it were a large subsidy there might be a good deal of force in the hon. gentleman's remark, but, where the sum granted is so small, I do not think we could hope to increase the service without increasing the vote proportionately, and it would certainly lengthen the voyage very considerably.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

It might, but then you would have double the subsidy to give one company.

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July 31, 1903