July 13, 1903

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I have already an officer in the seed laboratory. This is a part of the work.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

If we are going to have the thorough investigation we expect, thousands and tens of thousands of samples will be coming from all over the country. The analyst, in that case, is not going to be able to do all the work.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

If samples come in in great numbers, we must increase the staff of the laboratory. But that will show how necessary and justifiable is the law.

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Dominique Monet

Liberal

Mr. MONET.

Would it not be better to say plainly in the law to what inspector the seed shall be sent ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

They will be sent to the seed analyst.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

He is an officer of my department who is doing the work. But he would have to be appointed seed analyst by Order in Council. It says : ' Such person as the Governor in Council appoints as an official seed analyst.'

On section 11-sample to be taken in presence of sellers or two witnesses, certificate to accompany sample.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

How will these samples be sent in, by post ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Yes.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Yes. The official seed analyst will be an officer of the department, and these would come to the department free under the Postal Act.

On section 12-samples to be sent within seven days.

Mr. SPttOULE. Suppose samples are not sent within the proper time, would that relieve the person selling the seed from any liability under the Act or prosecution for damages ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I do not think it would free him from an action for damages, but it would free him

from penalties under this Act. X think there is no doubt about that.

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Peter Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

Mr. Fisher proposes to amend this section by adding to it the words ' in default whereof no prosecution shall lie with respect to such deeds.'

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

That might cover the point raised by the hon. member for East Grey (Mr. Sproule). I think it would be better to leave that out.

On section 14-certificates of analysis as evidence,

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Ought the minister not make some specific provisions for sealing up and sending in the seed ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I propose to submit regulations and rules for the taking of these samples, and the provisions the hon. gentleman (Mr. Sproule) refers to will be included in these. Section 18 allows for that.

On section 15,

Any pecuniary penalty imposed under this Act shall, on recovery be payable one-half to the informant or complainant, and the other half to His Majesty.

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William Ross

Liberal

Mr. ROSS (Ontario).

1 think that is objectionable-that a man should Be able to come into your house or store and be able to prosecute, half the fine going to him. I think the fine should all go to the Crown under the circumstances of this case. I think under all circumstances the fine should go to the Crown.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I may say that the seed merchants who have approached me on this Bill, have objected to this clause, and I am quite willing to strike it out.

On section 17,

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Do I understand that there can be no appeal to the county judge in the province of Ontario ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I am not familiar with the nomenclature of the different courts of the province of Ontario. This clause as well as the other clauses, in regard to legal proceedings, have been taken from the General Inspection Act, which I presume provided for the courts in the different provinces.

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July 13, 1903