June 15, 1903

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

I think that to say that the dock at Collingwood is an old dock repaired, is hardly to make a fair statement. The information we have is that the dock at Collingwood is practically an entirely new dock. The only excuse for saying anything about the old dock is that there was an old dock in former years. It was a small affair, and I understand all that remains of the old dock is a hole in the ground and that that hole is not big enough for the purposes of the new dock. I understand that there is nothing of the old dock there to-day so that properly speaking it is a new dock that is to be built at Collingwood.

'Mr. LANCASTER. Might I suggest that in the 27th line of the section you insert the word ' new ' before the word ' work ? ' If the hon. Minister of Finance means to pay this subsidy only on a new work instead of on a work partly old and partly new this will make it clearer.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

That is certainly the intention, and for the present I see no objection to the proposed amendment. We might reserve the third reading of the Bill lest we find that this amendment contains something that we do not intend, but I see no reason why the hon. gentleman's amendment should not be ac. cepted.

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lingwood, because I made a statement at an. earlier stage of this debate and I received a letter since from the president of tiie company, Mr. John Long, in which he says that my reference to conditions at Coiiingwood were correct. I may repeat what I then said. I stated that it was true that they began with the hope that they would utilize some of the walls of the existing dock, but they found it impossible to make any use whatever of them, and instead of getting any benefit they had to go the extra expense of removing the walls so that all that was left was the hole in the ground. So far as Coiiingwood is concerned, there was practically no value to the company in the dock which they attempted to enlarge, and ultimately had to abandon.

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John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

That is not inconsistent with my statement that the company had to pay nothing for it.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I do not know anything as to how they acquired it.

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John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

They are in possession of the work which the town gave them for the benefit of the town and the country in the hope of getting government assistance. This company has expended nothing except to remove the old works as the Postmaster General states.

The POSTMASTER GENERAL Expended nothing on what ?

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John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

On the dock; excepting the removal of a portion of it which could not be utilized.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

They are expending a much larger amount of money than the subsidy.

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John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

I know, but what I wish to guard against is the value of property being calculated before these new works are commenced.

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Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

I would like to ask the Minister of Finance whether this three per cent bonus applies as well to a floating dock as to a dry-dock.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The wording of the Act deals with dry-docks, and I think we have never had application for the construction of a floating dock. A case of that kind might have to be dealt with by special legislation. If there is a place where a floating dock is more suitable than a dry-dock, that might have to be considered.

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Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

There is a large company in the city of Vancouver who contemplate the building of a floating dock, and I doubt if they would be likely to go into the enterprise unless they were assured of the three per cent bonus from the Dominion government. As a matter of fact a floating dock is much preferable to a dry-dock.

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William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

I am inclined to think that a floating dock is a dry-dock, so that it would come under the operation of this dock. A dry-dock means a dock that is made dry so that you can repair a vessel, and I suppose a floating dock would answer the purpose of repairing vessels the same as a dry-dock. There would therefore be no difference in reality between a floating dock and a dock on land. The essence of the thing is that you should have a dock where you may repair ships, and whether afloat or ashore I think it would come under the spirit of the Act.

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Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

It is not a dry-dock when you fill it with water so that vessels may be floated into it.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

The Bermuda dry-dock was taken out from England.

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John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

I understand there is an engineer from the Public Works Department superintending the construction of the dock at Coiiingwood.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

It has been built under the general direction of the Department of Public Works, but whether they have a resident engineer there or not I would not like to answer.

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John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

I think the Postmaster General said on a previous occasion that the work was being done under the superintendence of an officer of the department.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

The plans have to be approved by the department.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

It is not necessary to have a resident engineer, but for their own satisfaction the department may have sent an engineer.

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June 15, 1903