Mr. LEIGHTON MCCARTHY (North Sim-coe) moved second reading of Bill (No. 136) to amend the Steamboat Inspection Act, 1898. He said : This Bill proposes to alleviate certain grievances which the National Association of Marine Engineers of Canada labour under. This body has addressed to the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Hon. Mr. Prgfontaine) and to other members of the House, circulars in which they have set out their grievances under seven heads. The first three of these are as follows :
1. That every vessel coming under the Steamboat Inspection Act of Canada of whatever ca-
pa-city be required to carry certificated engineers.
2. That all temporary certificates be abolished.
3. That engineers holding 4th class certificates be allowed to take charge of boats from 5 N. H. P. single cylinder, up to 10 N. H. P. of compound type.
The Bill which I now propose will remove the grievances specified under these three different heads. As regards the other four sub-heads of the complaint of the marine engineers of Canada, I do not think they can be reached by a Bill of this kind, because they are regulated by Order in Council passed by the Governor General in Council upon the recommendation of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries. These four subheads are as follows :
4. Candidate for the fourth-class certificate must have 36 months' service in a machine shop on the making and repairing of steam engines, also 12 months' service in the engine room as an oiler or fireman, or in lieu of above service, he must serve 48 months as fireman or oiler on the watch.
5. That all candidates before going up for examination for certificates have their credentials or recommendations examined by the subordinate council of the National Association of Marine Engineers in the locality in which they reside for verification.
6. That owing to confliction often arising between the engineers and the deck officers, re the use and care of deck hose on steamboats, such hose being used in the dual capacity of fire and deck hose, and which hose is used exclusively by the deck officers. Therefore, we, the engineers of Canada request, that the law be amended so that after said hose is put in proper order and passes the scrutiny of the inspector, that all responsibility for the proper care of such deck or fire hose be transferred from the engineer to the deck officers for the remainder of the season.
7. That the Order in Council permitting vessels to ply in Canadian waters, irrespective of Canadian laws, or inspection and manned by uncertificated engineers is a detriment to the marine interests of Canada in competing with Canadian built vessels, and also an injustice to men holding certificates of competency under the Canadian law. We ask that said order be rescinded and that all vessels plying in Canadian waters be subject to the laws governing Canadian built vessels.
Every hon. gentleman will see at a glance what is proposed by the Bill which I now introduce, and it will not be necessary therefore for me to dwell at length upon its different sections until the Bill reaches committee. I desire, however, to point out to the hon. the Minister of Marine that should he desire to provide a remedy for the four last subsections of the grievances complained of, he will have to amend the Order in Council now existing and in order to meet the desire of the National Association of Marine Engineers of Canada, X would sugest to the minister the advisability of amending part 5 of the regulations, section 112, subsection ' B.' which now reads as follows :
Engineers shall keep the fire pump and hose and their connections in perfect condition ready for immediate use and when found unfit for use
from age or other cause shall report their condition to the inspector of hulls by whom the steamer was last inspected.
This section should be amended by substituting the word ' put ' for the word ' keep ' in the first line thereof and striking out the words ' or other cause ' in the fourth line thereof and substituting the words ' or defects,' and by adding the following paragraph to the section :
And after the granting of the certificates under the Steamboat Inspection Act, the said hose and their connections, shall be in charge of the deck officers of the said steamboat who shall be responsible therefor, and If at any time they are fo-und unfit for use from age, or other cause, they shall report their condition to the inspector of hulls by whom the steamer was last inspected.
I would also suggest to the hon. minister the following amendments to part 6 of his regulations, subsections ' B,' ' C,' ' D,' and ' F ' of section 1 should be repealed and the following substituted :
(b) He shall have served an apprenticeship of not less than thirty-six months in a steam-engine shop and being employed on the making and repairing of steam engines, and have served twelve months in the engine room as an oiler or fireman of a steamboat-or, if he has not served such apprenticeship he shall have been employed for not less than thirty-six months as a journeyman mechanic in some workshop on the making and repairing of steam engines and have served twelve months in the engine room of a steamboat as oiler or fireman ;-or
(c) He shall have served at least thirty-six months in an engine room of a steamboat on the watch, and twelve months in the engine room of a steamboat as oiler or foreman ;-or
(d) He shall have served not less than thirty-six months as oiler on the watch in the engine room of a steamer of not less than thirty nominal horse power, and twelve months in the engine room of a steamboat as oiler or fireman -or,
(e) He Shall have served not less than forty-eight months as fireman on the watch in the fire hold of a steamboat of not less than thirty nominal horse power ;-
(f) And in any of the above cases of service twelve (12) months service in a boiler shop on the making and repairing of steam boilers may be accepted in lieu of twelve months of the service named, provided however, that he shall in all cases have served at least twelve (12) months in the engine iroom of a steamboat as oiler or fireman.
The marine engineers think that these amendments will alleviate the grievance referred to in the six subsections of their complaint.
I may say that the main basis of the grievances of these gentlemen seems to be that an applicant may apply to the department and obtain a certificate enabling him to act as an engineer upon the different steamboats plying on Canadian waters. They allege that this authority has been granted and that certificates have been granted to various engineers when there was no necessity for such certificates being granted, the result being to deprive certified engineers of employment. These gentlemen tell