March 31, 1903

LIB

Lawrence Geoffrey Power (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I would call attention to the fact that we are now discussing the question of home rule, and would invite the hon. gentleman to confine his remarks to this question.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I shall try and do so. I was going on to quote this letter, and if you have no objection, Mr. Speaker, I will finish the quotation

- and In view of the fact that your government Is to be formed to carry out the same policy, especially as regards the Manitoba school policy, I feel it my duty to say to you at once that you may count upon my assistance and services if you require them, as a member of your government, always presuming that the policy to reintroduce a remedial Bill at the first session of the new parliament will be clearly announced by you on behalf of your government.

What I wish to point out is that if the hon. gentleman had been honest then, he would not, after Sir Charles Tupper had gone to the country and been defeated on this very question, have turned his back on his leader and been the means of wrecking his government. Why, when a man for eighteen long years has been a member of the cabinet-I care not whether a Liberal or a Conservative government-and then takes the stand which the hon. gentleman did, I say that he can have no pretense to honesty or decency.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

Order.

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LIB

Lawrence Geoffrey Power (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I must ask the hon. gentleman to withdraw the expression.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I of course shall bow to your ruling, Mr. Speaker. The hon. gentleman spoke of his unselfishness and his strong convictions, but it occurred to me that these convictions could not have been very strong at the time to which I refer. I would like to know from the hon. gentleman to-night whether it is not a fact that last session he was going to introduce his home rule resolution, and that the right hon. the First Minister persuaded him not to do so.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Will the hon. gentleman say who did ? If he wishes to be honest, I pause to give him an opportunity to reply. He does not choose to avail himself of that opportunity. Let me repeat that the hon. gentleman fully intended to introduce this resolution last session, but failed to do so. Why ? Because there was a likelihood of an election in the province of Ontario, and the introduction of that resolution last session would have been the means perhaps of defeating the government. My hon. friend was quite ready to kick this resolution around like a football so long as he could serve party purposes. Reference has been made to the cattle embargo. Well, not long ago on the motion to go into supply, an hon. member introduced a resblution respecting the cattle embargo in England. But he had hardly moved his motion when the hon. Minister of Finance called upon his majority to vote it down as a motion of want of confidence. Does not that prove conclusively that the hon. member for Victoria (Hon. Mr. Costigan) and the government have been in collusion on this question for the purpose of making political capital and nothing else. There is another question on which I desire to speak, because it is one that has some relation to home rule. A few years ago when in this House the question of provincial autonomy for the Northwest Territories was being discussed, not one of the government supporters rose to assist the members of the opposition in their advocacy of provincial autonomy in the North-west. Not one of them rose to take an active part in that discussion. I am Mr. INGRAM.

therefore justified in saying to them that if they would pay a little more attention to our own affairs in Canada instead of taking up this home rule question for the sole purpose of gaining political notoriety and support, they would be giving more evidence of sincerity and honesty than they are now doing. I do not intend taking up any more time. I simply rose to say that although I have in my time supported home rule resolutions and would support them again today, I will never support any resolution in favour of home rule so long as it is introduced by a gentleman whom I despise for his conduct in this House, and for the motives which actuate his present course. I am using strong language, Mr. Speaker, but not any stronger than the occasion warrants and demands, and I think the sooner the people of this country understand it the better. I should have been glad to support the resolution had it been moved by the Minister of Justice or some other Irishman in this country who is not trading in this class of goods for political purposes.

House divided Costigan). . on amendment (Hon. Mr TEAS: Messieurs

Angers, [DOT] Lavergne,

Arehambault, LoBlanc,

Ball, Lemieux,

BSland, Leonard.

Belcourt, Logan,

Bernier, Loy,

Bickerdike, Macdonald,

Borden (Halifax), Mackie,

Borden (Sir Frederick) McColl,

Bourassa. McCool,

Bourbonnais, McEwen,

Brown, McGowan,

Bureau, McGugan,

Calvert, McIntosh,

Carbonneau, Mclsaac,

Carroll, McLennan,

Casgrain, Malouin,

Clancy, Marcil (Bagot),

Copp, Marcil (Bonaventure),

Costigan, Mayrand,

Cowan, Meigs,

Demers (L6/is), Mignault,

Demers (St. John), Monet,

Desjardins, Monk,

Dugas, Morin,

Emmerson, Morrison,

Erb, Mulock (Sir William),

Ethier, Murray,

Fielding, Paterson,

Fitzpatrick, Pope,

Fortier, Prefontaine,

Fraser, Proulx,

Gallery, Puttee,

Gibson. Reid (Restigouche),

Gould. Riley,

Grant, Ross (Ontario),

Guthrie, Ross (Victoria),

Haekett, Rousseau,

Harty, Scott,

Harwood. Stephens,

Heyd, Stewart,

Holmes, Sutherland (Essex),

Hughes (King's, P.E.I.).Sutherland (Oxford).

Hyman. Talbot.

Johnston (Cape Breton),Tarte,

Johnston (Lambton), Tobin,

Kaulbach, Tolmie,

Kendall, Tucker,

Lang, Turcot,

Laurler (Sir Wilfrid), Turgeon,

Laurier (L'Assomption), Wright.-102.

NAYS : Messieurs

Alcorn, Kidd,

Avery, Lancaster,

Barker, Lavell,

Bell, Lennox,

Bennett, MacLaren (Huntingdon)

Blain, MacLaren (Perth),

Boyd, Northrup,

Brock, Porter.

Broder, Reid (Grenville),

Bruce, Richardson.

Cargill, Robinson (Elgin),

Charlton, Roche (Marquette),

Clarke, Rosamond,

Cochrane, Sherritt,

Earle, Sproule,

Fowler, Taylor,

Henderson, Tisdale,

Hughes (Victoria), Vrooman,

Ingram, Ward,

Johnston (Cardwell), Kemp, Wilmot.-41.

PAIRS:

Messieurs

Thompson (Haldimand Carscallen,

and Monck), Blair, Osier,

Birkett, Wilson.

Lefurgey, Halliday,

Davis, Thomson (Grey),

Dyment, McCormick,

Amendment (Hon. to. Mr. Costigan) agreed

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE (Hon. W. S. Fielding).

I do not suppose the House would have any desire to go on with further

business to-night, so I move that the House

will, at its next sitting, go into Committee of

Supply.

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Motion agreed to. On motion of the Prime Minister, House adjourned at 1.20 a.m. Wednesday.



Wednesday, April 1, 1903.


March 31, 1903