March 26, 1903

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN (Halifax).

How long is it since that commission was appointed ?

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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS.

I think the commission was appointed in August. They have been visiting different parts of the country, and the delay which has occurred has arisen largely from the desire of the experts to have every cattle-guard submitted to a test. There are some people who think that they have very effi-

cieiit guards and who have asked to have the tests still further applied. The tests will be applied very shortly and the government will then be in possession of the report of the commission.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. G. SPROULE (East Grey).

I would like to ask how that one-eyed steer has fared lately ?

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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS.

I am afraid that my hon. friend will have to wait for the report.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I have always been in hearty accord with the principle of this Bill. I think it is intended to do justice to a very important class, who have scarcely had justice done them by the railway companies in the past. But I regret that the hon. Minister of Railways has not been more active in putting that commission in operation so that we might have had the report at the opening of the session.

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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS.

You will ha.ve it very soon.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

The hon. gentleman knows that there are many delays and many dangers and difficulties which beset measures of this kind when not brought down early. They are apt for one reason or another to be put off to the end of the session and then summarily disposed of in a very unsatisfactory manner. That commission might reasonably have anticipated that after the long discussion we had last session, this House would be anxious to deal with the question at the earliest possible moment. Why is the report not down now in this, nearly the third week of the session? I am afraid that unless the commission are hustled by some one, their report will not be down until it will be too late for the House to deal with it.

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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS.

No danger of that.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

From the somewhat lengthy experience I have had in this House and on the Railway Committee, I am inclined to view with suspicion the sending of Bills of this nature to that committee. I have found it to be frequently the graveyard of the hopes of those interested in such measures.

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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS.

Let us hope that this will be an exception.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Some how or other such Bills come to very unfortunate termination in that committee, and I am afraid this will meet with a similar fate. After the lengthy discussion we had last year in this House and in the committee on a similar Bill, I should think that hon. members would be quite prepared to deal with this matter in Committee of the Whole and not send it to any other committee. I do not care what committee you send it to so long Hon. Mr. BLAIR.

as it is dealt with fairly and put before the House as it should be, without having to submit to the flat against it of some force we cannot account for. I think it would be fairly dealt with by the Committee of the Whole without any injustice to any of the interests concerned.

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CON

Robert Johnston

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROBERT JOHNSTON (Cardwell).

I understand, Mr. Speaker, that every railway charter contains a clause providing that the company shall provide sufficient cattle-guards, and certainly whenever our municipalities have granted bonuses, they have done so under the understanding that such protection shall be afforded. But it seems that there is another law in our statutes which prevents our farmers collecting from the railways compensation for animals killed on the track. We have been trying to have this defect in our law remedied, we have been trying to have the railway companies compelled to afford the farming community adequate protection, but after three years agitation in this House and in the country, nothing has yet been done, and our farmers have to suffer the loss of their cattle without being given the means of recovering compensation. What guarantee have we that this condition of things will not continue another year ? A railway company runs a train across a highway, that train kills cattle when on the railway property, and the owners can recover no compensation. We have laws which provide that when an animal strays into another man's field, it can be impounded, and there is nothing to prevent railways impounding cattle which stray on their property. From the start to the finish the railways have the advantage. If a man shoots an animal which wanders on to his property, he will have to pay for it, but a railway engine can kill an animal and the owner has no recourse. That is not treating the people fairly. And after we have had this question delayed for three years by being sent to committees, I think we ought to deal with it in this House in the Committee of the Whole and get through with it. Two years ago it was sent to a committee of five members, of whom two were in favour and three against compelling railway companies to put up better cattle-guards. It is time that something should be done. I do not see why the government should say what sort of cattle-guards a railway company shall build. The companies have accepted their bonuses on condition that they will furnish proper cattle protection, and are compelled to do so by their charters. It makes no difference to us whether the guards are of .steel or wood so long as they are effective, and the companies should be allowed to judge what kind of cattle-guards are required. All we ask is that they be efficient. That is what they agreed to put up when they got their charters and when they canvassed the municipalities for bonuses. This matter has been before the gov-

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eminent three different years, and yet they are no further than when they started. I hope that parliament this session will do justice to the farmers and compel the railway companies to put up cattle-guards that will turn the cattle. All that the government have accomplished so far is to find out that this one-eyed steer, which has been referred to, can jump any cattle-guard which so far may be put up. I would ask that in all fairness we should deal with the railway companies as we would with any individual who broke the law.

Motion agreed to ; and Bill read the second time.

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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS (Hon. A. G. Blair).

I move that this Bill be referred to the Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines.

House divided on motion (Hon. Mr. Blair).

YEAS : Messieurs

Bazinet,

Beith,

Belcourt,

Bernier,

Bickerdike,

Blair,

Borden (Sir Frederick), Bourassa,

Bourbonnais,

Brown,

Bureau,

Calvert,

Campbell,

Carbonneau,

Carroll,

Christie,

Copp,

Costigan,

Davis, .

Delisle,

Demers (LSvis), Desjardins,

Dugas,

Emmerson,

Ethier,

Fitzpatrick,

Fortier,

Fraser,

Gauvreau,

Geoffrion,

Gibson,

Girard,

Gould,

Grant,

Harty,

Heyd,

Holmes,

Hughes (King's, P.E.I.), Johnston (Cape Breton) Kendal],

Lang,

Laurier (Sir Wilfrid), Laurior (L'Assomption) Lavergne,

Law,

LeBlanc,

Lemieux,

Lewis,

Lovell,

Loy,

Macdonald,

Mackie,

MacKinnon,

MacLaren (Huntingdon), Macpherson,

McColl,

McCreary,

McEwen,

McGugan,

Mclsaac,

McLennan,

Madore,

Malouin,

Marcil (Bagot),

Marcil (Bonaventure), Martineau,

Matheson,

Mayrand,

Meigs,

Mignault,

Mulock (Sir William), Murray,

Parmelee,

Paterson,

Proulx,

Reid (Restigouche), Riley,

Roche (Halifax),

Ross (Ontario),

Ross (Rimouski),

Ross (Victoria, N.S.), P.oss (Yukon),

Russell,

Schell,

Scott,

Smith (Vancouver), Stephens,

Stewart,

Sutherland (Essex), Sutherland (Oxford), Talbot,

Tarte,

Thompson , (Haldimand and Monck),

Tobin,

Tolmie,

Tucker,

Turcot,

Turgeon,

Wright.-99.

NAYS :

Messieurs

Alcorn. Kidd,

Avery, Lancaster,

Bell, La veil.

Bennett, Lennox,

Birkett, Leonard,

Blain, Maclaren (Perth),

Borden (Halifax), McCarthy,

Boyd, McGowan,

Broder. McIntosh,

Bruce, Monk,

Cargill, Morin,

Carscallen, Northrup,

Casgrain, Pringle,

Clancy, Puttee,

Clare, Reid (Grenville),

Clarke, Richardson,

Cochrane, Robinson (Elgin),

Culbert, Roche (Marquette),

Earle, Seagram,

Gourley, Sherritt,

Hackett. Sproule,

Hale, Taylor,

Halliday, Thompson (Grey),

Henderson, Tolton,

Hughes (Victoria), Ward,

Ingram, Wilson.-53.

Johnston (Cardwell). PAIRS:

Ministerial. Opposition.

Hyman, Gilmour,

Dyment, McCormick,

Logan, Lefurgey,

Wade. Simmons,

Cartwright, Tupper,

McCool, Vrooman.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill referred to Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines.


INTERPRETATION ACT AMENDMENT.


On the Order being called for : Second Reading Bill (No. 18) To amend the Interpretation Act.-Mr. Monk.


CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. F. D. MONK (Jacques Cartier).

My hon. friend from St. John and Iberville (Mr. Demers) is not in his place. He has a Bill very much to the same intent and purpose as the one I have before the House, and I would prefer to await his arrival before discussing the merits of this Bill.

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Lawrence Geoffrey Power (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Stand.

Order allowed to stand.

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TICKET OF LEAVE ACTS-RELEASES.

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Mr. T.@

CHASE CASGRAIN (Montmorency) moved for :

Copies of all Orders in Council, documents, papers, correspondence, &c., in relation to the release from imprisonment under the Ticket of Leave Acts, since the 1st of January, 1902, to the 12th of March, 1903. And a statement showing :-

1. How many persons have been released from imprisonment under the Ticket of Leave Acts, since the 1st of January, 1902, to the 12th of March, 1903 ?

2. Of what offences had they been convicted, and at what dates were they so convicted :

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March 26, 1903