March 20, 1903

CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

We have obtained that much information from the hon. gentleman -there is a statute. The hon. gentleman disregarded the statute in the past. I would like to ask on whose recommendation these increases were made.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

All these increases are based upon the recommendation of the deputy minister.

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CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Have those who have been advanced passed the civil service examination in every case ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

Yes, all those referred to.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

When were these recommendations made ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

Some time last December, a short time before the deputy minister went away. He went into the case with the minister, and made the recommendations.

Department of Indian Affairs, $66,610.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Who are the chief clerks in the Indian Department.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

There are four chief clerks : John D. McLean

secretary, at $2,400 ; D. C. Scott, accountant, at $2,100 ; S. Stewart, assistant secretary. at $1,950 ; R. Rimmer, law clerk, at $2,050.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Have there been any changes in the chief clerks in this department for some time back ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

The last change was the appointment of Mr. Rim-nier in 1898.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Did he get the maximum salary then, or did he start at a lower salary and receive increases ? [DOT]

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

Mr. Rimmer was appointed in 1898 at a salary of 82,000 a year. Since then he has had one increase only, of 850.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Is he entitled to an increase the same as the others ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

The

maximum, as the hon. gentleman knows, is 82,400.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

There must be some reason why he has not received the annual increase since his appointment.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

It is not a case of a man entering the service as a junior and spending several years before reaching his present position. He got 82,000 at the time of his appointment, and I am informed that the minister thought he should remain at that salary for a short time until it would be wise to recommend an increase.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Then I understand that this gentleman was appointed in 1898 and was paid 82,000, which he was not entitled to. Is that the general rule followed in all departments ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

There is no rule on the subject. He was appointed a chief clerk and law officer, a more or less technical position, at 82,000. There is no question of being entitled until parliament votes the money. Since his apointment he was recommended for one increase which made his salary 82,050, and he is now recommended for another.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

The point I want to get at is if these increases are to be given by a sliding scale, who has a right to recommend them from year to year ? There surely ought to be some principle governing these cases.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I suppose the increase should be based either on merit or take place automatically. I think the view of this government is that there should be an exercise of judgment on the part of the minister in the case of high-priced officers. In the case of low-priced officers, I think, expressing my own opinion, that the increase should be given automatically, unless a man disqualifies himself from receiving it. You can hardly compare the case of a law clerk with the case of a secretary performing a different class of work altogether. Each case should be judged on its own merits.

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March 20, 1903