March 20, 1903

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I suppose he is going to England notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act. Perhaps the hon. gentleman will be good enough to give us some detailed explanation why this provision is necessary in this item ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

The increase is $3,332.50, and it is made up by the balance of the increases and reductions. The total increases are as follows :

Increases :

Statutory increases 56 x $50 00 equals $2,800 00lx 37 50 - 37 503 x 25 00 " 75 002 x 10 00 " 20 00

Promotion of Robert Dunlop, from $900

to 2nd class at $1,100 per annum

200 00

Promotion of Messrs. F. C. Capreol, H. Sherwood, G. W. Paterson and F. W.

C. Cuming to 2nd class from $1,000 to

$1,100, per annum 400 00

Additional required In the case of Mr. Mclsaac, who was transferred from the Auditor General's office on the 1st July, 1902, $650 per annum and only

$600 was provided

50 00Additional junior 2nd class clerk 600 00Increase to Messrs King and Klotz, $150 each in addition to statutory increment, and E. Deville, surveyor general, $200

500 00

Decreases :-

4,682 50

Difference between salary of Mr. J. P. Dunne, promoted to 2nd class at $1,100 and salary of Mr. H. E. Hume, $1,400

superannuated

Difference between salary of S. J. Willoughby promoted to 2nd class at $1,100 and Mr. W. S. Gliddon, promoted to 1st class, $1,400

Difference between salary of late Mrs. Ridley, $900, and appointment of J. G.

Mitts, $600

Difference between $1,000 salary paid late Mr. L'Etoile and J. W. Gibson

appointed at $600

Difference between salary of Mr. A. T. McNeill, resigned, $650, and appointment of Mr. Munroe at $600

300 00

300 00 300 00 400 00 50 00

Increases $4,682 50

Decreases 1,350 00

Net increase $3,332 50

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I do not understand in what respect the Civil Service Act is repealed, or why it should be repealed.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I am informed that in the case of Messrs. King and Klotz the maximum salary is $2,400, and they are being allowed $150 in excess of the maximum. Mr. King is connected

with the new observatory and has an important addition to his labours which are of a very responsible and technical character. Mr. IClotz has been employed in connection with the Alaskan boundary, and the hon. Minister of the Interior thinks his services should be recognized accordingly.

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Hon. S@

I think the country is very fortunate in being able to retain such distinguished men as I know Mr. King and Mr. Klotz to be in their profession, and it seems a little peculiar that the advances in salary to these gentlemen are so small in comparison with the very large increases that were made in the salaries of two other officers, unimportant as compared with them. I think one of the'gentlemen to whom I refer is a chief clerk, and another a registration clerk, and they had $400 added to their salaries a session or two ago. No doubt their duties were increased by the administration of the Yukon, but theirs are largely clei'ical duties and it is satisfactory after all to find that men who have scientific training and who are so able and prominent in their professions as Mr. King and Mr. Klotz are to receive some recognition, though, I must say, in proportion to the recognition given the other gentlemen, they have not been fully rewarded even yet.

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LIB

Joseph Israël Tarte

Liberal

Hon. Mr. TARTE.

Would my hon. friend (Sir Wm. Mulock) be good enougli to tell me if J. D. Bollard, who is mentioned as receiving $850 is the gentleman who is in Paris now ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

He is not the same person.

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LIB

Joseph Israël Tarte

Liberal

Hon. Mr. TARTE.

May I ask where this gentleman is located ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

In the immigration office in Ottawa.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Why is not the Civil Service Act amended so that eminent gentlemen such as those mentioned can be retained in the service without requiring the repeal of the provisions of the Act ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I cannot say why the Act is not amended. I suppose if the Act in time is found not to be sufficient to meet any situation that may arise, and if that becomes quite clear, the House will be possessed of the information and will amend it.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

That has been quite clear for the last six years, ever since I have been in the House.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

There are only a few cases.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Only a few cases ?

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The MINISTER OP FINANCE (Hon. W. S. Fielding).

In comparison with the whole Civil Service list.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

It does seem a most absurd thing to keep that Act on the statute-book and to repeal it piecemeal each year in the estimates.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

Special merit has to be taken into consideration.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

It might be done occasionally in a very exceptional case of special merit perhaps.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

Why is it that the hon. gentleman changes the theoretical organization of the department ? It does not seem as if he requires any more of a staff for the purpose of accomplishing the work, but he wants five more second-class clerks and one more first-class clerk. The hon. minister ought to maintain his theoretical organization approved of by council, and under no circumstances, unless of the grayest and mcst serious character, change it. And why he has changed it by adding five second-class clerks and one first-class clerk to his staff I do not know.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

There may be a different number of clerks in the different classes but there is only one additional clerk in the total number.

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March 20, 1903