March 18, 1903

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

Who was the first class clerk who was superannuated ? Why was he superannuated, and what was his age ?

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The MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

Mr. Benjamin Suite was superannuated ; his age I think was 62 years ; he had served 35 years or over and he wished to retire on account of ill health.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

Did Mr. Lambert pass the Civil Service examination ?

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The MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

Yes, but we are increasing his salary $100 instead of $50 and it is necessary to insert that provision in the item.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Does this item include travelling expenses for the minister ?

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The MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

Yes.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I notice that $1,000 was spent last year. I might draw the attention of the members of the government to the fact that there are a few sinners left yet. I remember when they used to find fault with these large items for cab-hire, but they still continue. Perhaps they can justify these items now. I see that the hon. Minister of Militia is down for $96. The Minister of Finance is also down for a handsome little sum.

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The MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

I shall have great pleasure in explaining the items of my account. I had the misfortune, on the first day of the visit of the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and York, to have my leg broken. I was very anxious to attend the different military functions later on, and I got out at the end of three weeks, at considerable risk, and, not being able to walk, I thought perhaps the country would not object to paying my cab-hire.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

And I wish to say that I have no objection to ministers having a reasonable amount of cab-hire. I am simply reminding hon. gentlemen of some of their old arguments.

Department of the Secretary of State, $47,940.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The increases are all statutory with the exception of the increase to Mr. Baker, for whom the Secretary of State recommends an increase

of $100. The contingencies are somewhat increased, owing to an additional amount for printing and stationery, due to the fact that the work of the department in connection with the issue of patents has greatly increased, though the number of employees has not increased and the expenditure has increased only to a very slight degree.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

How long has Mr. Baker been in the service, and what is the reason he is given this $100 increase ?

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The MINISTER OP FINANCE.

The Secretary of State has given me a memorandum in which he states that the only change in the salaries beyond the statutory increases in the case of ten clerks is an extra $50 to Mr. Baker, who besides being a third-class clerk, is an important shorthand writer, and as such often remains at work till six o'clock and sometimes later.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

I understand the hon. minister to say that the increase of the contingencies is due to printing and stationery. 1 observe that last year the expenditure for stationery increased $500, while that for sundries increased $1,400. I suppose that is for sealing wax, stamps, etc.

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The MINISTER OP FINANCE.

Probably some increase would be justifiable even for sealing wax, according to the figures furnished me by the head of the department. For instance, in 1896, there were 11,071 letters received, while last year there were 29,000. So that if a reasonable portion of the increase should go to sealing wax, it would probably be wisely employed, because it is well to seal these government letters. This is really becoming a self-sustaining department, because the memorandum shows that the receipts of the office, which, in 1896 amounted to $8,776, last year amounted to $35,800, and for the current fiscal year, up to the end of February, $31,-

000. All this shows that there is a much larger amount of business being done by the department, and the increase of expenditure is small in proportion to the increase of revenue.

Department of Public Printing and Stationery, $40,840.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The Secretary of State informs me that there is practically no change in the salaries of this department, though the item seems to show an increase. The explanation is that three clerks, whose salaries were hitherto paid out of the vote for the House of Commons staff, have been transferred to the Printing Bureau, in accordance with a recommendation made by a committee of the House, who thought that these gentlemen were more properly connected with the Printing Bureau than with the House.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

Explain the $800 for Mr. Foran.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

Mr. Foran is the housekeeper of the Printing Bureau, and his salary has been increased from $700 to $800.

Office of the Comptroller of the North-west Mounted Police, $12,550.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

There is no Increase except the statutory increases.

Civil government-office of the auditor general-salaries, $33,562.50 ; contingencies, $10,000.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

This represents the usual statutory increases and also some increases in contingencies which the Auditor General thinks have been made necessary by the growing business of the department.

Civil government - Department of Finance and Treasury Board salaries-The salaries of the staff of the department may be readjusted and appointments made notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act, $52,340.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

I am asking the House to give me the same privilege which they gave me several years ago with very excellent results; and I can assure hon. members that I shall be as anxious to administer the vote this time as I did before. Lest there should be any misunderstanding, I may say that I have not in my department a single clerk who has not passed the civil service examination. There are a couple of messengers who have not passed that examination. Under the liberty given me before, I employed one or two persons temporarily until the next civil service examination, but required them to pass that examination, which they did. I am endeavouring to readjust the service of the department by putting in a number of young men to, fill the places of officers who have been removed either by death or superannuation. It is an advantage sometimes to give some of these young men a little more than the Civil Service Act will allow. Not long ago, we had no bridge between the $400 of a temporary clerk and the $1,100 minimum of a second class clerk. We created one bridge by making the third class or junior second class clerks. But all you can give a junior second class clerk when he begins is $600. Sometimes you can get a particularly good man who is not prepared to go in for $600, but you might get him for $700 or $800. If he cannot be got in this way you will be obliged to appoint him as second class clerk at $1,100. I may mention another case as an illustration. I desired to have in my service a gentleman who had had experience in banking and, naturally, I looked to the banking field for the person. I found a man who had many years experience in the chartered banks. But, of course, he had not a civil service certificate.

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March 18, 1903