March 10, 1902


Mr. ROCHE (Marquette)-by Mr. Henderson-asked : 1. What timber limits have been disposed of by the government since July, 1896 ? 2. Who were the purchasers in each case, and the price paid for each limit ? 3. Were tenders called for each sale, and in what papers or posters did advertisements appear ? The MINISTER OF FINANCE (Hon. W. S. Fielding). This question covers a series of years, and it would be much more convenient to have the matter dealt with in the form of a motion.


PRICES OF BINDER TWINE FOR 1902.


Mr. BLA1N-by Mr. Ward-asked : Is a circular issued giving the prices at which binder twine will be sold for the year ending July 1st, 1902 ? If so, what are the prices ?


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The SOLICITOR GENERAL (Hon. H. G. Carroll).

No circular has been issued.

I.CR.-PURCHASE FOR YEAR ENDING 30th JUNE, 1901.

Mr. BARKER moved for :

1. Copies of (1) all Orders in Council relating to purchases during year ended 30th June, 1901, for use upon the Intercolonial Railway and the Prince Edward Island Railway, respectively, of :-

(a) Steel rails and fastenings including plates, bolts, spikes and rail braces.

(b) Railway ties.

(e) Locomotives.

(d) Cars. *

(e) Wheels.

if) Axles.

ig) Truck and body bolsters.

(h) Air appliances.

fi) Coal.

(2.) All contracts, correspondence, reports, vouchers, receipts and papers relating to such purchases and the payments therefor, and to the articles delivered, whether purchased under Orders in Council or otherwise.

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Motion agreed to. Mr. BARKER moved for : Return showing :- 1. The quantities and numbers of the following articles purchased for or received upon the Intercolonial Railway and the Prince Edward Island Railway, respectively, in the year ending 30th June, 1901 :- (a) Steel rails and fastenings, including plates, bolts, spikes and rail braces. (b) Railway ties. (c) Locomotives. (d) Cars. . (e) Wheels. (f) Axles. ig) Truck bolsters. ih) Body bolsters. (i) Air appliances. (3) Coal. 2. The prices paid for the same and the place of delivery. 3. The names and addresses of the persons from whom purchased, and place and date of purchase. 4. The names and addresses of all persons employed or engaged in connection with such purchases, as agent or otherwise, and the commission received by such persons in connection therewith. 6. The qantities of such new rails and fastenings, and of such other articles (excepting locomotives and cars) in store upon each railway at 1st July, 1900, and 1st July, 1901, respectively ; and the sums at which they were severally valued in store account at said dates. Also the quantity issued for use on each railway during the year, and the prices at which they were charged out. 6. The quantities of old rails and fastenings, wheels and axles in store at 1st July, 1900 ; the further quantities received into store during the following year ; the disposition made of any portions during the year; and the quantities on hand at 1st July, 1901 ; with the prices at which they were valued in store account at said dates, and the prices charged for any sold or reused.


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The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS (Hon. A. G. Blair).

The second motion embraces very much of what is contained in the first. I apprehend that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Barker) will be satisfied with one return, if it contains all the information covered by the two motions.

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Samuel Barker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARKER.

Certainly.

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Motion agreed to.


GREAT LAKES AND ST. LAWRENCE- HEIGHT OF WATER.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAMUEL HUGHES (North Victoria) moved :

That in the opinion of this House, in the best interests of the people of Canada, a joint commission should be appointed by the United States and Canada, to examine and report upon the diversion of the waters between the two countries ; and to investigate the conditions, rise and fall, supply and uses of the waters adjacent to the boundary line between the United States and Canada, including all the waters of the lakes and rivers whose waters flow by the St. Lawrence river to the Atlantic ocean.

He said ; Mr. Speaker, this is a motion which does not require any lengthy dis-

cussiou. X believe It has, from time to time, engaged the attention of the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States. I am satisfied that it has engaged the attention of the trading public and the commercial men on both sides of the line. The people of Chicago, owing to the difficulty of draining that great city, have seen fit in their wisdom to construct what you may term a large waterway, 200 feet wide and averaging about 24 feet deep, connecting Lake Michigan with the Illinois river ; so that in place of the old Chicago river, as formerly, running down, there is now a strong current running up that river and leading down the Illinois river into the Mississippi. At various points along the line, as at Sault Ste. Marie, we have large locks on both sides of the river; there are also large power improvements projected at each of these points, as well as on the Niagara river. Coming down to the St. Lawrence we find that both this government and the American government have been engaged in dredging operations, undoubtedly affecting the outlet of the lake. Although these may not be important in themselves, and in view of the great volume of water in those lakes, would not materially affect the output at the present time ; yet it is hard to tell what in the near future may be the schemes advanced by business industries on each side of the line which might result in the reducing the water supply in these great lakes. Navigators complain at times of the impossibility of keeping the channel up to the normal level ; and, therefore, I desire to draw the attention of the House and of the country to the necessity of looking into the question at an early date in order that some understanding may be arrived at between the two governments as to the proper control of the waters for other than navigation purposes, and for the maintenance of the waters of the lakes at the normal level, so that navigation may not be interfered with by deepening the channels or reducing the water supply by turning it into other avenues. I shall not take up further time in speaking to the motion. My object is not to embarrass the government, but to draw its attention to this important matter.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

however, I think it would not be advisable to follow the suggestion of my hon. friend, and as he has now called the attention of the House to the subject, I would ask him not to press his motion.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HUGHES (Victoria).

Has there been any information received from the American government on this same line 1

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES (Hon. James Sutherland).

I may say that an intimation has been made, and my department is observing the proceedings of the American Congress in reference to this matter. I can assure my hon. friend from Victoria that it is receiving the attention of the officers of the department, and it will receive every consideration that is due to so important a question. I think under the circumstances my hon. friend would do well not to press his motion.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HUGHES (Victoria).

My sole object was to draw the attention of the House and of the country to the question, in order to make sure that the interests of Canada might not be neglected in this all important matter. Inasmuch as the ministers have assured us that the interests of Canada will be carefully guarded, I should consider that the object of my motion has been secured, and I will withdraw it.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I think the United States have already appointed a commission for this purpose, presumably with the object of co-operating with this government. I presume this government is in possession of some information with regard to that, and will be prepared to act conjointly with the United States authorities.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

I do not think any definite action has been taken by the American government as yet.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

They have appointed a commission.

Motion withdrawn.

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WHEAT BLOCKADE IN MANITOBA.

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Mr. J. M.@

DOUGLAS (East Assiniboia) moved for :

Copy of all papers and correspondence relative to the present wheat blockade in Manitoba and the North-west Territories, and the incapacity and inability of the Canadian Pacific Railway Ccmpany to move the crop of last year In such a reasonable period of time as to prevent the grain-growers of the country being subjected to serious financial loss.

He said : I desire to submit to the House some facts in connection with this wheat blockade in the North-west Territories. It so happens that the congestion is largely confined to East Assiniboia, the district between Moosomin and Moosejaw. I desire to submit facts for the information of the

House, with the hope that they may lead to the adoption of measures that will relieve the situation for all time to come. A few years ago we were accustomed to read that Manitoba and the North-west Territories were only fit for the buffalo, the Indian and the coyote, that it was not a country fit to be inhabited by white men. We even used to hear men from beyond the seas speaking of it as a blasted country. They came here to make money, and having made it, returned to their old homes to enjoy it with their friends. But that day has passed away. The old settlers have solved the problem, and are now seeking to make permanent homes in the country. There has been a vast increase in their activity in breaking up land and increasing their powers of production. We have had many splendid crops in that country, as the House well knows, but the crop of 1901 surpassed perhaps anything that has ever been produced in any country on the face of the earth. This is a wide statement, but we feel it cannot be contradicted. The crop in Manitoba is the result of an increased acreage, and showed the third largest yield. The crop in the Territories is the result of a large increase in acreage it is true, but chiefly the result of a very large increase in the yield per acre.

The principle underlying the production of wheat on the American continent is an interesting study. There is a principle that seems to come to light in connection with this bonanza crop in the North-west. It is that there is a tendency for the wheat producing area to recede from the south and to go northwards. It is a fact well known to us that the state of Illinois, at one time the greatest wheat producing state in the Union, has ceased to produce wheat and now corn and the hog occupy the soil. Then again, in North and South Dakota, it is found that the production of grain is not always a profitable employment. The principle seems to be that the area is moving from the south and gradually going northward and that the nearer we come to the northern limit of the wheat area, the stronger the grain becomes and the more profitable is its production.

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An hon. MEMBER.

Why is that ?

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March 10, 1902