March 7, 1902

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Yes.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Quite so.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Then how is it they get their $3 a day over and above that for superintending works ? I will take in Winnipeg, for instance, the repairs going on there :

Some carpets and wall paper, also a flag Etaff,

and ensign were supplied Works

carried out under the supervision of J. Ernest Cyr, clerk of works, Winnipeg, Manitoba.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Then he has been paid out of this appropriation.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Take the next : Examining warehouse; he is the clerk of works there. Is his pay taken out of this vote ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Yes, he supervised the whole of the work.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Yes.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I understood that in these cases the pay of the clerks of the works came out of the vote for the particular work.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

No, not in these cases.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

In that case, we have no general officers. If we build a harbour at Port Hope, for instance, we employ an officer, who is not in the department. In this case Mr. Cyr is a permanent employee just as Mr. Desjardins is in Montreal. That is the reason why the hon. member for East Gray (Mr. Sproule) finds their names where he does find them.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I know, but you set a man over the building of a post office and he is paid out of the vote for that post office.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

He is employed for that purpose.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

If he is paid out of the vote for that building how can you pay him out of this sum ? Will you be paying him a double salary ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

No, Mr. Cyr is paid only one salary, and that salary is paid out of this appropriation. He is not paid out of any other appropriation. He will supervise three or four works but he is paid his ordinary salary out of this appropriation.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

It seems to me that it is possible to pay them sometimes double salaries. I have had brought to my notice only a short time ago the fact, in regard to which I asked a question and got a reply, that clerks employed in a certain department are employed in another department at the same time and draw pay there also. The answer was that the government has no knowledge of this. I am informed that it is a fact, and that it has been going on during the last few months. I give that as a justification for endeavouring to find out whether such a thing could happen or not without the knowledge of the minister.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

In this case it cannot happen.

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March 7, 1902