February 28, 1902

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

The capacity of the dredges depends very largely on the material on which they work, but the capacity of these dredges night and day is between 6,000 and 8,000 yards per day. It depends very much on the character of the material and whether they strike a rock or other obstruction.

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Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SMITH (Wentworth).

The hon. Minister of Public Works referred to the dredges that entailed an expense of 25, 10, 6 and 4 cents, and so on, for dredging. What does the hon. minister intend to do with these old dredges ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

There is not one on the St. Lawrence now. They are all gone. I am sorry to say that we have some left on the lakes, but I am now building two new dredges. When I come to that vote, I will give a more detailed explanation. I am building dredges for the lakes also. All of these old dredges are now gone from the St. Lawrence. They cost more than they are worth to operate.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

The hon. member for Jacques Cartier (Mr. Monk) is away to-night and possibly he may want to make some observations in regard to the matters discussed under this item. I am not asking it to stand, but I would like it to be undex

stood that it may be discussed at a future time if my hon. friend desires to offer any observations upon it.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

There will be full opportunity. I may say to the hon. gentleman (Mr. Borden) that the hon. member for Jacques Cartier came to my seat and said that the only question he wanted to say a word upon was the post office in Montreal.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Last year $669,000 was voted. That has all been expended, I suppose?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

No, there is $170,000 which is not spent yet, but it will be expended by the first of July in building further additions to our fleet, equipping our shipyards in Sorel, and in doing other things in regard to which I will be glad to make a statement.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

The result of the expenditure, so far as it has been made, is shown in the report of the hon. gentleman's department.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Yes.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

All shown.

Port Arthur extension of breakwater and dredging, $35,000. River Kaministiqula, $10^)00.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

Is this all the expenditure that is to be made in connection with the harbours and rivers of Ontario ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Oh, no, there is a lot of money for Ontario, but this is all for this special work which is chargeable to capital.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

Is this all the expenditure that is to be made on the harbours and rivers of Ontario ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I cannot answer for the supplementary estimates but in the main estimates this is all.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

Toronto harbour has never been charged to capital account.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

We perhaps might have some information from the hon. minister as to both of these items, in respect to the present condition of the work and the probable cost when completed.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I do not think that we will spend much at Port Arthur in addition to the amount we are asking for now. As my hon. friend knows the Canadian Northern have now reached that point and it is in view of giving them more depth of water and better Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

accommodation that dredging is going on now. We spent in the neighbourhood of $10,000 last fall. We expect to expend $35,000 this year to complete the dredging necessary. As to the Kaministiquia, I do not know that we will complete the work with that amount, as we are having a great deal of trouble with it. As hon. gentlemen know, this is the terminus of the Canadian Pacific Railway and every year we have to do a large amount of dredging there.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

Has the attention or the hon. minister been directed to the question of the Canadian channel in the St. Mary's river ? I was rather surprised, going up and down that river last fall, to learn that we were dependent on the Americans to enable vessels, drawing more than 15 feet of water, to get from the Soo Canal to Lake Huron. I was sorry to learn that vessels drawing 15 feet of water or over had to utilize the new channel at Hay Island constructed by the American government, and which has a depth of 20 or 21 feet of water. Is it the intention of the government to give us a Canadian waterway, or is it intended that we shall remain dependent on the courtesy of our American friends to enable us to get from our Canadian Canal at the Soo to Lake Huron ?

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February 28, 1902