May 13, 1901

LIB

Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Hon. Mr. SUTHERLAND.

Mr. Northrop was appointed in 1883 and he has passed his maximum. He is considered one of the best officers of the department, with very responsible duties, and is recommended by the deputy.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

It does not increase his salary, but it gives him rank.

Inland Revenue Department-To increase the salary of L. G. Roy, notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act, $100.

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The MINISTER OF INLAND REVENUE (Hon. M. E. Bernier).

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

This is an item in my own department where I wish to provide for an additional clerk. I remember in my school-boy days when, the master had his own son at school, he had to lick him frequently in order to set a good example. That is the way with the Minister of Finance in his estimates, he tries to set a good example by not increasing his appropriations, and we have been doing that thing so severely that we are hard-up in my department. Several of my officials are away on sick leave and we really need an additional appointment.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

No. In this case I propose to increase the strength of the staff by adding another officer. It may be that when some of those who are advanced in years retire, we shall be able to reorganize in such a way that we will not add anything to the expense. But for the present, as I do not wish to undertake to superannuate some of these officials who have done good service and who are temporarily ill, this will be an addition to the expense. I have inserted these words because I have in my mind to appoint to that office a man who has had some banking experience, but who may not have the technical qualifications required by the Civil Service Act.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Then these words ' notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act' are made to apply to the qualification as well as to the increase of salary ?

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

In this case we create a first-class clerkship, and these words release us from the obligation of having a technical examination. It will

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mean for the time being an increase to the extent of one additional clerk, but I have no doubt that in the readjustment that may be made before long, the expenditure of the department will not be increased at all. Mr. SPROULE. I foresee the trouble that practically it does away with the requirement of an examination. The MINISTER OF FINANCE. As respects this particular individual, yes. Mr. SPROULE. You are setting a precedent here which will be taken advantage of by others who desire to get in without passing the examinations. Heretofore we have not disregarded the Civil Service Act in that direction. In the first place these words were usually introduced to show that a civil servant was receiving a salary from some other source, and the law provided that these words should be put in so as to indicate that it was a violation of the Civil Service Act. In this case you go further, and you overcome the Civil Service Act by providing that you may take in a man who has not passed either the preliminary or the qualifying examinations. The MINISTER OF FINANCE. My hon. friend is quite correct ; I will admit at once. I propose this vote to enable me to take a man into the department who, while he will not have the technical qualifications called for by the Civil Service Act, will have the better qualification of actual experience in financial matters. We have had one death in the department, and we have three men absent at the present moment on sick leave, and it is necessary in the interest of the public service that we should strengthen the department. Ocean and River Service-Towards the construction of a steamer to replace the Newfleld $100,000. The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES (Hon. Sir Louis Davies). The Newfield was the vessel that was lost last year in the Bay of Fundy, and we have to replace her. Tenders are now being called for the construction of a steel steamer to take her place. We are asking the House to vote $100,000. Mr. SPROULE. Where is the steamer to be built ? The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES. We hope in Canada. We have called for tenders here. Mr. SPROULE. They are providing a very efficient shipyard for the building of steamships in Collingwood, and with the arrangements they made they will be able to turn out satisfactory work, I think. I went through the establishment and saw where they are putting in the machinery. They are in a position to supply all kinds of material now, and especially when the Clergue works get into operation, they will be able 163 REVISED E to do work in any part of Canada. I hope they will have an opportunity to compete for this work. The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES. Yes. Mr. MCCARTHY. I may say that the Collingwood works have already tendered for this steamer, and I hope they will get it. Mr. CLARKE. I hope that when the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries is making up the list of those who will have the opportunity of tendering, that he will include a tender from the Bertram shipyards, of Toronto. The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES. The tenders are publicly called for in the newspapers, and every one will have the privilege of tendering. Mr. CLARKE. I would suggest to the hon. gentleman that he take a trip from Toronto to the Thousand Islands in the new steamer Toronto, so as to see what has been done by the Bertram shipyard, which is turning out the finest vessels on the lakes. I would like to ask the hon. gentleman if this steamer, the Newfield, was insured ? The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES. No. Mr. CLARKE. Then she will be a total loss ? Mr. SPROULE. I would suggest to the hon. member for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke) that if he would arrange for a trip we would all go down. Mr. CLARKE. I think when the hon. gentleman speaks of the Collingwood shipyard he might get parliament to go up and examine it. Mr. CLANCY. What will be the cost of this new steamer ? Your item would indicate that this is only a portion of the cost. The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES. Yes ; this is only a portion of it. It will be in the neighbourhood of $150,000 or $160,000. Towards the construction of a steamer to replace the Druid, $50,000. The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES. The Druid was the steamer which was engaged in the buoy and light service below Quebec, and she got worn out so badly that her sides were as thin almost as that piece of paper. We had a survey made of her, and she was condemned as being unsafe. We took everything out of her that could be taken out and sold her. She brought a very small amount, I think about $1,800. Tenders are being called for the new steamer in the same way as in the other ease. Mr. CLANCY. What is the estimated cost of the new steamer ? DITION

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND *FISHERIES. It will be under $100,000.

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Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

Are the specifications so drawn that anybody can tender ?

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. Yes, anybody.

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Edmund Boyd Osler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. OSLER.

There is no little reserve so that anybody can be kept from tendering ?

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. No.

To establish a new life-saving station on Long Point, Lake Erie, including cost of boat and maintenance of a paid crew, $2,000.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Has there not been a lifesaving station there before '!

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. The life-saving station was at Port Rowan, but it was too far from the lake to be efficient. And the boat was one of the old type. We are going to establish a station on the shore of the lake about ten miles from the old location, and as nobody lives near that point it will be necessary to provide quarters for the crew.

Lighthouse and Coast Service-A new lighthouse and fog alarm building on Middle Ground, Lake Erie (revote), $10,000.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

This is the lighthouse and fog alarm which is now nearly built and will be put in place in a short time. The chief engineer is there now putting it in place. We are asking for a revote of $10,000. It will be on the Middle Ground.

A rmrmanent pier and light at Lower Traverse, $75,000.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

WTe built a permanent pier at the Upper Traverse two years ago. and it has been such a great success that we propose to build one at the Lower Traverse, two and one-half miles farther down. It will cost $75,000. This is part of the improvement of the service in the St. Lawrence.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

No, I am only asking for the vote.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

No, I do not think so. It is not the kind of work that can be done by contract. The other pier was built by the chief engineer by day's labour, under efficient supervision. We have a man who supervises these works and he builds them by day's labour under the almost personal direction of the chief engineer himself. It is a very delicate piece of work to put these permanent lighthouses in the proper place.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

The tide runs at the rate of seven and one-half knots an hour, and it is a very dangerous piece of work. The chief engineer says he could not recommend it to be done by contract at all.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

How did the work turn out as to cost with the estimate of the engineer ?

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. The cost and the estimate were very close.

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May 13, 1901