May 7, 1901

LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

tittle over 700, and we reduced it to 500. But we have been rather demoralized, so to speak, by the fact that the force has been drawn upon largely for the Yukon and for South Africa. We have had to spend a good ideal in transportation to and fro, taking men from the different stations, bringing them here, equipping them and sending them to their destination. This has entailed upon us a new expenditure which we had not contemplated. Moreover, we have been extending our patrols till now they cover all the territory from the boundaries of Manitoba to the Peace river and even to the Mackenzie river. More than that, as settlement extends, there are more applications made upon us for new stations. We have been able, by changing them from one place to another, to furnish new stations without adding to the number of men, but this involves a great deal of new expenditure for transportation alone. You cannot take men to the Peace river without a large expenditure, and still more to the Mackenzie river. But doing the best we can, we cannot maintain the force with less than $800 for man and horse. There are about 400 horses. We think that in course of time we shall be able to reduce the expenditure down to a little under $800.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN.

The circumstances afford a good argument for the erection of one or more new provinces in the North-west. I hope the right hon. gentleman will bear that in mind. Why this government has not established at least one new province in the North-west long ago, I cannot understand. If we had one or more provinces up there the duty of policeing the territory would devolve upon the provinces instead of upon the Dominion.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

The hon. gentleman is too previous. The suggestion may be a good one, but we are taking a census this year, and we had better wait until the census is known before we carve out any new provinces.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I do not understand from the explanations of the right hon. gentleman how men enlisting with the constabulary to South Africa would cause so much additional expense. I can understand that we should have some additional expense in that connection, but with the increase in the number of men $60,000 seems to be a considerable jump.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

If my hon. friend looks at the figures he will see in the comparison that there is an explanation for it. In 1896-7 the expense of the force was $504,000, in 1897-8 $369,000, in 1898-9 $402.000, in 1899-1900 $351,000. That year and the year before we had incidents occurring which rather demoralized the force. We had to take from the force 250 men and send them to the Yukon, and then we had

to take 200 men and send them to South Africa. We had to replace these men, we had to send them to Regina and then to send them out to the depots where they were stationed. That entailed a great deal of transportation which we did not have the previous year, and therefore, it is not extraordinary that we should have incurred a greater expenditure, which, under normal conditions, we should not have incurred.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

How many new stations have been established ?

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The PRIME MINISTER.

I should say ten or twelve.

Mounted Police-To pay Assistant Surgeon W. E. Thompson the difference between $1,200 and $1,400 per annum from July 12, 1898, to June 30, 1901, $593.97.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

The reason for this expenditure is that in 1898 Mr. Thompson was appointed assistant surgeon to the mounted police force at a salary of $1,000. He was sent to the Yukon. He has to discharge the legitimate duties of his office which are enormously increased by the fact that he has to attend to the prisoners not only of the police force, but to the prisoners under sentence to the penitentiary. We pay to the assistant surgeon $1,000, and to the surgeon $1,400. We think he is entitled to additional remuneration. He claimed $2,500 additional remuneration, but we have thought that full justice would be done if we gave him the pay of a surgeon.

Customs-Additional amount required for salaries and contingent expenses and salaries at the various ports, $33,705.

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The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS.

These items are just for what is stated. This is the additional amount required for salaries and contingencies in the various provinces, necessitated in large part by the organization of the statistical branch at Ottawa. This $33,705 is a supplementary vote for the purpose of paying the officers who have been transferred to Ottawa, and the additional expense that has been incurred in connection therewith.

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CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I do not wish to offer any objection to these items if they are in the usual form, but my bon. friend (Mr. Wallace) left here a short time ago, and he would be in a far better position than I am to offer any remarks upon these items. I am sorry when I crossed over to see the right hon. leader of the government (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) that he did not see fit to inform me that we were going into these large items.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

The hon. gentleman did not ask me.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I asked the right hon. gentleman if we were going to sit late this evening. .

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The PRIME MINISTER.

That is a different question. That is not asking if large items or small items are to be taken up.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

Then, to that question the right hon. gentleman did not give an answer.

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The PRIME MINISTER.

I said that we should not sit late.

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The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS.

This is not a large Item.

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Edward Hackett

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HACKETT.

I would like to ask the hon. Minister of Customs why this great increase takes place in Prince Edward Island ?

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The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS.

It is to provide for the salary of an additional officer from the 1st of July at $800. Then, an officer has been transferred to the statistical branch of the Customs Department at Ottawa. That is Mr. McNeil, who was engaged in statistical work down there.

Miscellaneous-Additional amount required for printing and stationery, $2,500.

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The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS.

The estimate for that was taken at $25,000, but two months having already elapsed, we find it insufficient. It will reach about $28,000.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN.

Would the hon. minister tell the committee now what steps the government are taking to investigate the charges made against the alleged paper combine of this country, whether it comes under his department, and if so, whether he is prepared to give any information as to the procedure to be followed.

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May 7, 1901