May 3, 1901

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

The chief engineer informs me that the nature of the soil would not permit of the dredge working there. That is a matter into which we can look again.

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Edward Gawler Prior

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. PRIOR.

I think you had better, foi', if I am rightly informed, it is just the kind of material in which the new dredge will work. It is mud and silt. The amount which the hon. gentleman has for Victoria harbour is absurdly small. I hope he will see that a larger amount is spent there than has been spent in the past. It is a very important harbour, in whicii there is a large amount of shipping.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I say that as soon as the work of removing the Tozo Rock is completed, the dredge will work in the upper part of the harbour. More than that I cannot say.

Roads and Bridges-Ottawa City-Bridges over the Ottawa river, the slides and the Rideau canal and approaches thereto-Ordinary repairs, &c., $2,500.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

This amount is asked by the chief engineer

to make repairs to the Wellington bridge, the Sapper's Bridge, and the other bridges which are under the Department of Public Works.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

How is the amount expended which is voted annuai'y as a contribution to the cits'- in lieu of taxes ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

The Minister of Finance is the proper person to answer that question.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The money is in the hands of a commission appointed by the government. Their practice is to prepare estimates of their appropriations and send them to the Governor !n Council for approval. Having obtained that approval, the expenditure of the money is entirely under their control, though the accounts are subject to the audit of the Auditor General, as required by the Act.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

It occurred to me that it might not be undesirable to have some portion of that money expended on Sussex street, which is in a very bad condition. That street connects property belonging to the government at one end with property belonging to the government at the other end, and it is traversed a great deal by prominent people who come to Ottawa. If the hon. gentleman has ever attempted to go over it, he will agree with me that it is in a most disgraceful condition. I do not know whether the hon. gentleman has had any experience on a bicycle. If he could be persuaded to learn to ride, and go over that street as I have done on a conveyance of that kind, he would concur most heartily in the suggestion I am making.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

I quite agree with my hon. friend as to the desirability of improving Sussex street, and I hope the commission and the city authorities will be able to come to an understanding by which it may be improved. But having left all such matters in the hands of the commission, we can only bring the suggestion to their attention. I sympathize very much with the object the hon. gentleman has in view.

Surveys and inspections, $16,000.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

This is intended to cover the cost of a survey on the French river, with the view of obtaining the necessary information in order to have the improvement carried out which the vast majority of the country desire. A survey was made last month, and this is to pay the work done. There is a difficult question to be decided. Lake Nipis-sing has been raised five feet to drown the rapids we have to grapple with, and we have not sufficient information to know how Mr. TARTE.

many thousand acres of land may be grounded. By the moderate expenditure of $2,000,000 or $3,000,000, we will have a direct route from Chicago and Duluth to North Bay on Lake Nipissing, which is only 330 miles from the port of Montreal. When we have twenty feet of water from Duluth to North Bay, we will have the best route we ever had for our western trade. The survey was made by Air. Fraser, one of the engineers of the department, with the help of some others of our engineers. The report has only been prepared in a temporary way, but, perhaps, before the session is through, I may place it before the House.

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

There is one item relating to the post office which I would like, the committee to take up.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. BORDEN (Halifax).

I have some matters to bring up when the post office items come on.

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Hon. A@

There will be supplementary estimates for next year, on which any discussion that the hon. gentleman may have can come up. This is only one item to clean up next year's supplemental estimates.

Post Office-To complete payments for post office service to June 30, 1901, $125,000.

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Hon. A@

I asked the officers of the department to make up a careful estimate of what would be required to meet the expenditures of next year, and these amounts are made up particularly on account of the increased services on the different railroads, especially in British Columbia, Alanitoba aud the North-west. The railway mail service is increased $53,000 over the estimates made : extra expenditure for ordinary land conveyances, $40,000 ; increased expenditure for mail bags, owing to general expansion of the business, $12,000 : stationery, &e., $20.000: and the item of $500 for telegrams, incurred particularly cabling in connection with the Pacific cable and South African business.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. BORDEN (Halifax).

Does this effect the question we had up early in the session, as to the general results of the post office administration during the past year ?

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Hon. A@

It would, to some extent. Perhaps it would be more satisfactory if I laid on the Table an estimate made by the officers-you cannot give a complete return of the receipts until the completion of the year.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. BORDEN (Halifax).

Will the hon. gentleman be good enough to bring the statement down to the latest date it is possible to furnish it for ?

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Hon. A@

Yes.

Post Office-To provide for payment of mileage to railway mail clerks who were on duty in South Africa from July 1, 1900, to the date on which they returned to duty in their several districts :-

J. Lallier, July 1, 1900, to Feb. 24, 1901.. $184 08

T. B. Bedell, " 19, 1901.. 247 10K. A. Murray, " 28, 1901.. 160 89R. Johnston, " 17, 1901.. 324 75

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Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Hon. Mr. SUTHERLAND.

I think it was pretty well understood in the House that men in the service would be allowed their salaries while away in South Africa, and most of the departments have been able to pay, because they had taken a vote. But these gentlemen are paid partly by mileage, and the Auditor General would not pay without a special vote. This is estimated on the average of what they earned in the previous years.

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May 3, 1901