May 3, 1901

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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

He cannot vote, if he does not know why he is excluded.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

But the hon. gentleman found that he did vote at the last election in many cases, so that this amendment does not remedy that at all.

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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

I have exhausted all my ingenuity in endeavouring to prepare such an affidavit as would meet the difficulty suggested by the hon. member for Bothwell. I would have been glad if the hon. gentleman had exercised his ingenuity in the same direction.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

This section is not intended to provide for the class to which the hon. member for Bothwell refers, but only to those who are not on the list, because of holding some provincial office.

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Section agreed to.


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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

I wish to propose this amendment with respect to the ballot paper, form ' P.' Beneath the heading ' form of ballot paper,' the following note will be inserted :

The black lines above the first name shall extend to the upper edge and the black line below the last name shall extend to the lower edge of the ballot paper, so as to leave no white space above or below.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Is the proposed ballot one devised by the department or patented ?

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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

This is a combination of the ballot we have had in existence and one suggested by the Rev. Mr. Macdonald, of Glengarry.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Has Mr. Macdonald made any claim, or is it intended to remunerate him ?

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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

That is a matter to be considered by the Secretary of State. All these forms of ballot were handed to me from his office, and we adopted the combination we thought best.

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

If the government have appropriated anybody's design, they must I pay for it.

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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

If we have appropriated anything copyrighted, we will haYe to give compensation, and even if we benefit by an invention not copyrighted, something should be paid the inventor.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

It is absurd to say that we cannot make a ballot paper ourselves and put the black lines wherever we chose without Infringing somebody's patent.

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Amendment agreed to.


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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

In order to cover the point I referred to the other day, I wish to move the following amendment:

That section 10, 61 Vic., cap. 14, be repealed, and the following substituted in lieu thereof :

Within ten days after the final revision of every list of voters for the purposes of provincial election, and within ten days after any change, alteration or substitution for any such list under the provincial law, it shall be the duty of the custodian thereof to transmit to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery by registered mail a copy of such list or change or alteration thereon or substituted list, as the case may be, certified under the hand of such custodian, and having every alteration, addition or erasure therein identified by his initials. The fees to be paid for such certified copy or copies shall be those fixed by the provincial law for furnishing such copies to applicants therefor, and if there is no fee fixed by the provincial law, shall he 25 cents for each 100 names, including additions and descriptions, and 50 cents for the certificate.

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Amendment agreed to.


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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I would like to mention again the suggestion made the other day with respect to the North-west Territories. I do not know whether my hon. friend has considered that further. There is certainly necessity for some amendments to the election law as applied to the North-west Territories. I have had statements put in my hand with respect to difficulties in connection with elections there, which are really very grave and demand some change. My hon. friend states that this could not be done in this Bill. This may not be the best place to make the change, but, of course, the object aimed at can be effected by amendments in this Bill. If the sections which were set forth in the Bill introduced by the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Roche)' could be made sections of this Bill, and section 2 as it now-stands could be modified by inserting in the last line but one immediately after ' thereto' the words ' or where the North-west Territories are specially mentioned.' I think that w-ould do. If there are evils there arising from defective legislation I think we ought to provide some effective remedy, and I see no practical difficulty in dealing with them by amendments to this Bill, though I can see, as my hon. friend mentioned the other day, that it would be better technically if Mr. CLARKE.

] we introduced a separate Bill. But, if my hon. friend is convinced of the wisdom of the amendments suggested, its can be done now as well as any time. The Bill introduced by the hon. member for Marquette with, I think, one or two, slight verbal alterations, could properly become part of this Bill. When that was done, of course, w-e w-ould have to look to this Bill as well as to the North-west Territories Representation Act to find the law- applying to elections in the North-west Territories. But under amendments that have already been assented to by my hon. friend (Mr. Fitzpatrick) you would have to do that now, therefore, that does not seem to me to be an objection. If it is true, as has been alleged, that abuses prevail w-ith respect to enumerators there, it is only right in the public interest that some attempt should be made by this parliament to remedy those abuses. I would like the hon. gentleman to say whether or not it is not worth while to make these amendments part of this Bill.

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The SOLICITOR GENERAL.

I have considered very carefully- the suggested amendments and appreciate the necessity of making some changes probably in the North-w-est Territories Representation Act. My hon. friend will understand that it may be a question in the near future whether the North-west Territories are to be brought under the provisions of the General Election Act, and changes may take place within a short time after the census w-hich w-ill make anything now done entirely inapplicable. It is not a matter of pressing necessity and if w-e proceed to deal w-ith the matter at the px-esent time it might be that the law would have to be undone in the very near future.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I hardly agree w-ith my hon. friend when he says that this is not a matter of pressing necessity. Any one of these six seats may become vacant by resignation or otherwise, and, in that case, an election would have to be held at once. These same evils which are alleged to have shown themselves in the past would then be experienced again. If these are w-ise amendments-and I have heard no objection to them as far as the principle is concerned-it does seem to me it w-ould be a pi'oper thing for parliament to deal with this at the earliest possible moment. If the North-west Territories are to be brought under the provisions of theGenex-al Elections Act, it would be very well. But the making of this amendment now would not affect that. And the difficulty is that until this is done these evils which seem to be admitted w-ill remain unredressed.

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Edward Hackett

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HACKETT.

The Solicitor General said that, after discussing those amendments, he would have something to say aboxxt the amendment I moved.

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May 3, 1901