April 25, 1901

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

I think it is most unfair that we should take up these estimates when we have had no opportunity of investigating the question of immigration before the Committee on Agriculture and Colonization. There was a meeting one day this week when Mr. Pedley was before the committee. He is to be before the committee again to-morrow, and then it is proposed to have the deputy minister and Mr. Preston. I think that evidence should be taken and reported to this House so that if any hon. members wish to discuss it they will be in a position to do so.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR (Hon. Clifford Sifton).

How many meetings will suffice ?

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

If it were not that the Railway Committee is meeting to-morrow, I think we would be able to get through with Mr. Pedley to-morrow. The Railway Committee is meeting, and it is a question whether we can have a meeting of the Agriculture Committee or not.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

Will two or three meetings do ?

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

I think two or three meetings will do if w'e can get the evidence reported to the House. Would the hon. minister state when he would be prepared to take this up, or would he leave it over for about a week ?

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

If my hon. friend (Mr. AVilson) would wait a moment I will let him know what the decision is.

Geological Survey, $62,730.

Mr. LaRIAHERE. Will the minister tell us of the explorations that are intended to be carried on next season ?

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

Does the hon. gentleman want It for the whole of Canada ?

Mr. LaRIVIERE. Yes.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

I will give an account of the plan of operations for the coming season. Of course this is subject to change in minor details, according to circumstances, but the plan at present intended is as follows :

Yukon Territory : Mr. R G. McConnell, Mr. Joseph Keele, assistant; gold district of sixty miles, Thistle Creek and South Forks of Big Salmon river-possibly the coast west of White Pass Railway and south of White Horse. British Columbia ; Mr. R. W. Brock, assistant Mr. W. W. Leach; Boundary Creek, Mr. James McBvoy and Mr. Theo. Denis, assistant; Crow's Nest Pass coal field. Manitoba and North-west Territories : Mr. Lawrence Lamb and one assistant; Red Deer river, collecting cretaceous fossils. Ontario r Dr. A. E. Barlow, Sudbury district, lithological investigations; Prof. John Macoun, botany of north shore of Lake Erie and of east shore of Lake Huron to Cape Hurd; exploration of Temagami Lake Park. Dr. Ellis, with two assistants, will finish what is called the Kingston district. Mr. Robert Chalmers will go to the St. Lawrence Valley and westward to Lake Huron to investigate wells and borings for water, gas and petroleum. It is also intended to explore the region between Lake Nipiging and Lake St. Joseph, the north shore of lake north of Jackflsh Bay and Muskoka distriot. In Quebec and Ontario, Mr. W. J. Wilson, with one assistant, will go to the valley of Abitibi river, and Mr. Frank Johnson with one assistant will go around Lake Abitibi and northward and eastward in connection with Mr. Wilson. Dr. Ami will be in the valley of the St. Lawrence, in Quebec city west of Lake St. Francis, and Ottawa Valley west of Mattawa. In northern Ontario and the district of Keewatin, Mr. D. B. Dowling and Mr. James Macoun, with one assistant, will be in the region south-west of Cape Henrietta Maria track survey of Opazotika river, geology and zoology and botany. Mr. A. P. Low will be east of Hudson's Bay and the outside chain of islands in the eastern part of the bay. In New Brunswick, Prof. Bailey will continue the work of 1900 in the south-west part of the province. In Nova Scotia, Mr. Hugh Fletcher, with Mr. McLeod and Mr. Alan McKinnon, will be in Annapolis, King's and Cumberland counties ; Dr. George Matthews collecting fossils at Bras d'Or and Mira, and Mr. E. R. Fairbault in Halifax, Lunenburg and King's counties.

That is the plan prepared by the director for the coming season, but of course it is subject to change.

Mr. LaRIVIERE. While I do not want to find fault with the programme of the hon. minister. I think it is about time that a separate account should he kept as between Manitoba and the North-west Territories. In a great many instances we see in the public records that Manitoba and the North-west Territories are combined as in the present programme. I fail to observe that any explorations are to be made in Manitoba proper, but yet the province of Manitoba, together with the Territories, will be charged with the cost of explorations

that are exclusively to be made in the Territories. It is about time that the province of Manitoba should stand by herself in these accounts, the same as the other provinces, because we are debited with expenditure that is not properly made in the province of Manitoba. It is made to appear that Manitoba draws certain expenditures from the public treasury which is not the case in reality. It is the same way with regard to other accounts. I might say that Manitoba is not properly treated with regard to her exports. She is not credited with the am'ount of exports she makes, and I think it is time to put a stop to this mixing up of the accounts of Manitoba and the Territories.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

I do not think we should have any difficulty in meeting the wishes of the hon. gentleman (Mr. La Riviere), so far as the geological survey is concerned, because that is a very simple matter indeed. I may remark that as to the commercial returns, the question has been before the department several times, brought up by the secretary of the Winnipeg Board of Trade.

Mr. LaRIVIERE. Yes.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

It is found to be very difficult, indeed, without altogether disproportionate expense, to get the returns so separated that they can be properly credited to the province to which they ought to be credited. I believe the ministers concerned have made reasonable efforts in that direction.

Mr. LaRIVIERE. I hope my hon. friend (Mr. Sifton) will set the good example by separating the accounts in his own department.

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Edward Gawler Prior

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. PRIOR.

Has the minister made any appointment to the vacancy caused by the death of Dr. Dawson, director of the Geological Survey ?

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

There has been no permanent appointment made, but Dr. Bell, who is the oldest member of the survey, has been appointed acting director. The government intend, immediately after the session, to take the matter into consideration.

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Edward Gawler Prior

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. PRIOR.

I suppose a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

We are pretty well through with the main estimates now. and I wish my hon. friend from Lennox (Mr. Wilson) would endeavour to get the evidence before the Committee of Agriculture disposed of as quickly as possible. That would be mutually agreeable, I fancy. I shall facilitate the hon. gentleman in any way I can.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

I have been very anxious to get these people before the committee

for some time, but it was deemed advisable to get through with the Experimental Farm so as to distribute the evidence of the officers while the House is in session.

I am anxious to get through as quickly as possible. I hope the minister will instruct his supporters to facilitate the business. Sometimes there is delay, after the evidence has been taken, in getting it reported to the House, and it is necessary to have it reported to the House before we can use it.

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR,

When does the committee meet again ?

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

To-morrow.

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

You can get a quorum to go on and take the evidence ?

Mr. WILSON. I think so.The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

Then, I will see the officers to-day.

Militia-Clothing and necessaries, $110,000.

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Edward Gawler Prior

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. PRIOR.

Has the minister come to any conclusion with regard to the clothing to be worn by the men in camp ? In the report of the general officer commanding, ] he expresses himself as heartily in accord with the clothing worn at London and Niagara camps last year, namely, straw hats and flannel shirts. In a hot climate like this in summer, it is of immense benefit to the men in the ranks that they should be allowed to wear some clothing of that kind, instead of tunics that are buttoned up and very warm.

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The MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

I am entirely in favour of the suggestion made by the hon. gentleman, and I think some preparations are being made with that end in view.

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John William Bell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BELL (Pietou).

I have a letter from the commanding officer of the battery at Pietou, in which he expresses the desire that serges should be served out to the members of that battery instead of tunics, which they have at present. He says that the battery is in splendid condition, very largely manned and in'an excellent state of efficiency, but that they feel themselves somewhat behind others in respect to their clothing. I understand that there is a regulation as to the number of years a tunic is to last, and it may be that in this case they have not lasted their full time ; but I would urge on the minister, in view of the state of efficiency of the battery and the great interest the men have taken in their training

I believe they have two or three officers and some sergeants with certificates -that he should if possible meet the views of the men in that respect.

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The MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

My hon. friend will understand

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April 25, 1901