April 15, 1901

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE (Hon. W. S. Fielding).

In the absence of the Minister of Railways and Canals, I beg to answer:

1. To Martineau & Lemoine.

2. Dussault & Pageau, Martineau & Lemoine, Borthwick & McNaughton, John Quinlan, W. J. Poupore, J. F. Keating.

3. J. F. Keating.

4. Dussault & Pageau's tender was for $21,743.80, and Martineau & Lemoine for $21,784.17, a difference of $40.37. The department preferred that the latter should be entrusted with the work, and awarded the contract to them at the lowest tender price.

5. Six tenders were received.

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Subtopic:   CARILLON CANAL-REBUILDING GUIDE PIER.
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I.C.R.-SALE OP NEWSPAPERS.


Mr. GAUVREAU-by Mr. Demers (St. John and Iberville)-asked : Whether it is the intention of the Department of Railways to permit the selling of newspapers, reviews and other articles required by travellers in the central station at Riviere du Loup, when it shall have been thrown open to the public ?


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The MINISTER OF FINANCE (Hon. W. S. Fielding).

It is the intention to arrange for the sale of newspapers, reviews, &e., in the station at Riviere du Loup.

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I.C.R.-SALARIES OP FOREMEN AT RIVIERE DU LOUP.


Hr. GAUVREAU-by Mr. Demers (St. John and Iberville)-asked : 1. What is now the salary of Messrs. Alexandre Ouellet and J. M. Bourdeau, mechanical foremen at Rivi6re du Loup ? 2. What is now the salary of Mr. Lozo, the new foreman ? 3. What member of parliament recommended the appointment of Mr. Lozo ?


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The MINISTER OF FINANCE (Hon. W. S. Fielding) :

1. The salary of Messrs. Alexander Ouellet and J. M. Bourdeau, who have been mechanical foremen at Riviere du Loup, was 5)591.66 per month.

2. The salary of Mr. Lozo, present mechanical foreman, is $110 a month.

3. I am not aware that the mechanical superintendent, in selecting a suitable person for this responsible appointment, sought the advice of any member of parliament.

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MAIL SERVICE PROM COE HILL MINES TO APSLEY.


Mr. CARSCALLEN-by Mr. Bell (Addington)-asked : Who is the contractor for carrying the mails from Coe Hill Mines to Apsley ? When was the contract awarded ? What was the date of last tender received and date received at the department ? If the contract is not yet awarded, who is performing the service, and under what conditions and terms ?


LIB

James Sutherland (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Hon. JAMES SUTHERLAND.

There is no contract in operation for this service at present. The former contract having expired op the 31st of March last, tenders were invited due to be opened on the 15th of March. The lowest tender having been found considerably higher than the amount of the former contract, the inspector at Kingston was instructed to inquire into the matter, and report the facts to the department. The matter was not finally settled on the 1st of April, instant, and the inspector arranged for the service temporarily with Charles W. Gunter, at the rate of $2 a trip, which the inspector reports as the lowest rate he was able to secure

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Subtopic:   MAIL SERVICE PROM COE HILL MINES TO APSLEY.
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THE PLAINS OP ABRAHAM.


Mr. NORTHRUP-by Mr. Kaulbach- asked : 1. Did the member for Quebec West, the Hon. R. R. Dobell, a member of the cabinet, make the statement attributed to him in a resolution passed by a deputation which waited upon the Hon. Mr. Parent, premier of the province of Quebec, and which resolution has been published in a number of newspapers in the Dominion of Canada, to the following effect :- Quebec is Angry. The Leading Citizens Protest Against Mr. Dobell's Opposition to the Plains of Abraham Purchase-An Appeal to Sir Wilfrid-The Federal Government Urged to at Once Ratify the Deal with the Nuns by which the Battlefield will be saved. Quebec, April 8.-* I worked and voted for the Hon. R. R. Dobell at the time of his last election, but will never cast a vote for him again,' was the statement made by the Hon. Richard Turner, M.L.C., on Saturday afternoon, in the course of an interview with Mayor Parent, at which a large number of prominent citizens were present. Mr. Turner was one of the disgusted delegation that waited on Mr. Dobell on the 4th inst., about the Plains affair, and was told that for conscientious reasons, which he would not disclose, he could not support the scheme. Mr. Turner was chairman of the important deputation which waited on Mr. Parent on Saturday, and which also included Hon. John Sharpies, Rev. F. G. Scott, W. H. Wiggs, H. M. Price, William Price, William Wood, Victor Chateauvert, N. Garneau, M.L.A., Aid. Tascher-eau, Thomas Davidson, Atkinson, J. Theodore Ross, Amyot, and many others. The proposed deed of sale between the Ursuline nuns and the Federal government was read, and showed that the price to be paid the nuns was $80,000, and that the Marchmont property does not come into the bargain at all. The nuns may, of course, purchase Marchmont instead of the Plains, if they so choose it, but there is nothing in the contract to compel them to do so. There was much adverse comment at Mr. Dobell's action in refusing to speak right out and say what his objections are, and Mayor Parent was particularly severe in the matter. Finally, the following resolution was unanimously adopted : ' Moved by Mr. Victor Chateauvert, Captain William Wood, president of the Literary and Historical Society of Quebec, and Mr. N. Garneau, M.L.A., Seconded by Hon. John Sharpies, M.L.C., Mr. William Price and Mr. John Hamilton, That this large and representative deputation of citizens of Quebec have heard with surprise the report of the gentlemen who waited, on the 4th inst., upon the Hon. R. R. Dobell on the question of securing the Plains of Abraham as a public park, to the effect that the minister, while asserting his approval of the acquisition of that property by the Federal government, stated that there was a matter in connection therewith that he could not conscientiously approve, and that being a cabinet secret he could not divulge it without the consent of his colleagues. That this deputation having heard the reading, in both French and English, of the proposed deed of sale from the Ursuline ladies to the Federal government, considers that the price stated, namely, $80,000, is very satisfactory, and the conditions imposed such as safeguard the interests both of the Federal government and of the people of the Dominion, and meet with the cordial approval of the citizens of Quebec. That as members of this deputation, we urge the immediate acceptance of the present pro-



posed contract upon the Federal government as being the desire of the whole city of Quebec. That the action of the Ursuline ladies in agreeing to this sale for the express purpose of meeting the stated views of their fellow-citizens, merits the gratitude of the latter and tends to cement the good understanding that exists between people of different nationalities, not only in the city of Quebec, but throughout the entire Dominion. That we take the present opportunity of thanking the Prime Minister of the province of Quebec and mayor of this city for the active interest he has taken in this matter from its very inception, and for his successful conduct of the negotiations with the religious authorities and Federal government, and trust that he will continue to urge the completion of the transaction upon the conditions contained in the proposed deed of sale. That copies of these resolutions be transmitted to the Right Hon. Sir Wilfrid Laurier, Prime Minister of the Dominion, to the Hon. R. R. Dobell and to the Federal members of parliament from the city and district of Quebec.' 2. What were the conscientious grounds that prevented the hon. gentleman from approving *of such purchase ?


LIB

Richard Reid Dobell (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Hon. R. R. DOBELL.

In answer to the hon. gentleman, I have to say that the statement attributed to me is substantially correct. In reference to the conscientious scruples, I may say that I do not consider that they are matters for the consideration of this House. [DOT]

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THE CENSUS-ISSUE OF CIRCULAR.


Mr. N O RTHR U P-by Mr. Ivaulbach- asked : 1. Is the following a true translation, or practically so, of a circular issued by Thomas Cotd, assistant census commissioner :- (Confidential.) Census Bureau, Ottawa, 1st March, 1901. Dear Sir,-I take the liberty of writing to you to-day for the purpose of discussing matters connected with the census. As you already know, the fourth decennial census of Canada will begin on the 1st of April next, and will continue during the two or three following weeks. As you also know, the object of the census is to ascertain as exactly as possible the number of the population, and of the resources of the country, and thereby to give a true idea of its relative position among nations. To attain this object, that is to say, to know as correctly as possible the number of the population and resources of the country, it is necessary that the citizens of the country in which the census is taken should contribute by their influence, by their words, and by their example to the success of the common work. This leads me, sir, to ask you to aid us in making this census as complete and as exact as possible in your locality. You are probably aware that on the occasion of each former census many citizens of this country imagined that the census was for the purpose of imposing additional taxes, and for the purpose of enrolling Mr. NORTHRUP. their children for foreign wars. That was a complete mistake, for the results which the census furnishes have not for their object the imposition of new taxes, but are, on the contrary, directly connected with the administrative science which presupposes a general knowledge of needs and means, defects and advantages, of the country in which the census is taken, all of which is to be presented in a numerical form. Does Not Mean Conscription. Neither is it reasonable to fear that the census has for its aim the enrolment of any citizen of the country for any war. The military service which a certain number of Canadians recently performed in South Africa was, as you know, purely voluntary, and there was no power in the world capable of enforcing any one to go there unless it was his own desire to do so. There is also another error into which a certain number of our compatriots have fallen : that is to imagine that the census tables, or rather the information furnished the enumerators could serve them as an advertisement, or could be used in any way to their detriment. The real truth, however, is that these tables are never seen, except by the officers whose duty it is to make the census. These officers are bound by their oath of office not to divulge any information concering individuals, and besides, as you may well believe, I am sure that not four-fifths of the enumerators have any leisure to give attention to the personal information which they have obtained in going from house to house and interrogating the citi-zeus. Some people have also, in certain cases, objected to give their names to the enumerators. Names are taken purely and simply as a guarantee of the truth of the information furnished, and in order to afford a check upon the information as written down. There is another thing to which I particularly desire to draw your attention, and that is the peculiar situation of the groups of French families in your district. In the census of 1891, the people of French origin in the maritime provinces, in Manitoba, the North-west Territories, and in Ontario, did not receive justice. A large number of citizens of French origin were enumerated in the census of 1891 as being of English origin. English-speaking French. The true cause of this injustice has never been thoroughly known. Perhaps it was owing to the fact that a large number of our compatriots in the provinces above named, and especially in your locality, do not now speak French, and even in some cases have changed their names. When the enumerator went to their houses in 1891 they answered, no doubt, without reflection, that speaking only English, they should be enumerated as forming a part of the population of English origin. That is no reason, however, why citizens who are really of French origin should be enumerated as such. I have reason to believe that there will be fewer errors this year than in the past, on account of the changes which have been made in the census tables. But will you permit me to ask you to exercise your influence on all citizens of French origin whom you know, in order that they may answer accurately and correctly the census officials. See that they do not forget to declare that they are really of French origin, although they may not now speak French, and although they may have changed their names, as, for example, in the case of those named Poirier, who now call themselves Perry ; those named Leblanc, who now call themselves White, &c. Will you permit me also to ask you to give these instructions, and these explanations, to all citizens of French origin whom you know. Will you be good enough to advise your people to answer correctly the questions which will be put to them by the enumerators, assuring them that they need fear no increase of taxes, since the census has not this object in view ; and also not to hesitate to make known the real value of their properties. But above all, insist, I beg of you, that the true origin of all our compatriots may be correctly registered by the census officials. I have the honour to be, sir, Your obedient servant, THOMAS COTE, Assistant Census Commissioner. 2. If so, how many such circulars were issued, giving the number sent to each province ? 3. Were such circulars sent out under the frank of the Minister of Public Works ? 4. Were such circulars sent out under the instructions of the government ?


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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (Hon. Sydney Fisher).

The translation given here of the circular letter referred to, Is substantially correct. Eighteen hundred and fifty-five were sent out by mail, as follows : 744 in Ontario, 196 in New Brunswick, 287 in Prince Edward Island, and 441 in British Columbia. These circulars were sent out under the frank of the Department of Agriculture, but a certain number of them were sent out under the frank of the Department of Public Works, from the fact that Mr. Cote, who was sending them out, had his office in the Department of Public Works until the office in the Seybold building was ready. Some of the circulars were also franked from the House of Commons in consequence of Mr. Cot6 inquiring about addresses in this building, and sending them from here after the mail was closed in the department. Such circulars were sent out .under the instructions of the department, for the purpose of obtaining correct answers to the questions in the census schedules, just as similar instructions were sent out to a number of the census commissioners in the province of Quebec, to the effect that people whose names were Fraser, Ross, Pettigrew, Carroll, &c., should be entered in the column of origins, as being of English, Irish or Scotch origin, although they spoke French entirely ; and must be put in the column of languages as speaking French. This and other information has been sent

out for the guidance of the census takers, so as to secure absolutely accurate information in the census.

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LEVIS BRIGADE CAMP.

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Mr. MORIN asked :

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Whether the Militia Department has considered the evidence given in the inquiry ordered last autumn by Colonels Aylmer and Foster, staff officers at Ottawa, into certain charges as to irregularities committed at the last brigade camp at Ldvis, last summer, in the 17th Regiment of Levis ?

2. If so, is it the intention of the department to pay the men who have received only a portion of their pay for the said brigade camp ?

3. Is it the intention of the department to indemnify the men who testified at the said inquiry and to grant them their pay for the last camp '*

4. Is the department taking steps to prevent the recurrence of such irregularities as those which have been committed ?

5. Is it the intention of the department to punish the officers guilty of the said irregularities, for the honour of the other officers of the 17th Regiment ?

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Th MINISTER OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE (Hon. F. W. Borden) :

1. The evidence has been considered.

2. There are no unsettled claims before the department from the men of the 17th Regiment.

3. Any claims submitted on the part of the individuals who testified before the Court of Inquiry will be duly considered, and any pay to which they are entitled for service in the last camp which they attended will be paid.

4. Yes.

5. Such steps will be taken in behalf of the well-being of the militia as the circumstances demand.

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Subtopic:   LEVIS BRIGADE CAMP.
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April 15, 1901