April 15, 1901

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I have nothing to do with that and know nothing about it.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I understood that a certain circular referred to by the member for Hamilton (Mr. Barker) would be laid on the Table.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I know nothing of such a circular, but if there is any such I shall only be too happy to lay it on the Table.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I also understood that certain instructions, to which the hon. gentleman referred in the afternoon, would be laid on the Table.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Yes, the instructions sent to enumerators in the province of Quebec, which are referred to in Mr. Cote's letter, will be laid on the Table also.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Better let the item stand until these are laid on the Table.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Why not pass the item ? We have only

passed two items so far although we have been at work four hours.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

They were very important items.

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William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

Are there any instructions other than those in the book I have in my hand, and which was laid on the Table, given to the enumerators ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Not that I know of.

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William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

I shall not speak for any riding outside my own, but taking the intelligence of some of the enumerators in that riding, they will have considerable trouble wrestling with some of these instructions. [ He is one of them :

In every case where members of the family or household are temporarily absent from their home or usual place of abode, their names or records should be dealt with so as to conform, as near as may be, with the general conception of a de jure system of enumeration.

Can the hon. minister inform the House what is the general conception of a de jure system of enumeration ?

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

Now that the minister has seen the circular sent to the enumerators, to which Mr. Whitney refers, and which the Prime Minister of Ontario admitted was sent to him he should be able to give us some information as to the action he has taken to bring this matter to the attention of the enumerators throughout Ontario.

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Nathaniel Clarke Wallace

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WALLACE.

And what has been done with these circulars by the census enumerators ?

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William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

I would ask the hon. minister to explain for the benefit of the enumerators, what he means by that clause in the instructions in which he tells the enumerators to conform, in the case of those who are temporarily absent, as nearly as may be with the general conception of a de jure system of enumeration.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

There are two well known systems of taking the census-one the de jure and the other de facto. In the de facto census, nobody is entered except those actually present at the date of taking the census. But under the de jure system, people temporarily absent are counted as being in the place from which they were absent at the moment, but which is their usual residence and home. In this way, people are taken who are not present when the questions of the census are put. I do not know that there is any legal definition of the word de jure. No doubt, the hon. gentleman knows the exact meaning of it, but this is what I may call a technical definition of the de jure census as distinguished from a de facto census.

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William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

The words occur a few lines above ' temporarily absent.' Are they

expected to enumerate persons who may be temporarily absent, in the United States, for instance, and is there any schedule for such absentees ?

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

The people who are absent from their homes, when they are in another part of this country or beyond it's borders are, by a de jure census, counted, provided the absence is not greater than a year. Or, if the people there state positively that the person is only absent temporarily, and has not made his home elsewhere he is counted.

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William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

Can the hon. minister show where the instructions are restricted to a year's absence ? I do not find it.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I icannot find It at the moment, but it is there, I know.

Quarantine-Salaries and contingencies of organized districts and public health in other districts, $f0,000.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

There is an increase here of $5,000.

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April 15, 1901