April 15, 1901

IND

Arthur W. Puttee

Independent Labour

Sir. PUTTEE.

I did not rise for the purpose of discussing the Bill at this stage, although the Bill is to be opposed, but I desired to ask the hon. member whose name is on the back of the Bill to give us some explanation with regard to one circumstance connected with it. These Bills, Nos. 102 and 103, refer to what is known as the Manitoba Railway contract. Now, about four-weeks ago two Bills, No. 75 and No. 87, were put through the second reading and referred to the Railway Committee, and they bore on their back the name of the hon. member for Selkirk (Sir. McCreary). Now, I understand he did not give his permission to make any change, but since that time these two latter Bills now before us have been added to the former Bills, and I would like to have the hon. gentleman who is now proposing the second reading, to give us the explanation.

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Hon. S@

I may mention that I received a note from the gentleman whose name was on the Bills, and who certainly had no knowledge of the change. I asked for an explanation from the solicitor ; I believe it is usual for the solicitor to look after the drafting of Bills coming before the House. He alone is responsible for the printing of these Bills that were submitted to the committee. I knew nothing of them until I saw them reprinted ; and I suppose my hon. friend who has

charge of this Bill had not any knowledge of it either, or had anything to do with it. The solicitor for the companies affected by the Bills referred to by the hon. member for Winnipeg (Mr. Puttee) is alone responsible for suggesting the amendments and having the Bills reprinted for reconsideration of the committee.

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR (Hon. Clifford Sifton).

I desire to say upon this point that the hon. member for Selkirk (Mr. McCreary), when leaving the city some five or six days ago, had just then learned that these Bills had been reprinted. As he was obliged to leave that evening he sent me a note by special messenger, asking me to communicate with the chairman of the Railway Committee, saying- that he was not familiar with the rules of the House, and did not know whether the solicitor had a right to have the Bills changed without his consent, and he desired the chairman of the committee to be at once informed that the change was made without his knowledge or consent. I accordingly informed my hon. friend the chairman of tne committee of the circumstance. I say this in order that the position of the member for Selkirk may be made perfectly clear. [DOT]

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LIB

Colin Francis McIsaac

Liberal

Mr. McISAAC.

This is a Bill to ratify a lease made between the government of Manitoba and four railway companies operating in that province under one system. The names of the companies are: The

Northern Pacific and Manitoba Railway Company, the Winnipeg Transfer Railway Company, Limited, the Portage and Northwestern Railway Company, and the Wask-ada and North-eastern Railway Company. These four railways operate in the province of Manitoba under one system. They originally obtained provincial charters from the Manitoba legislature, and subsequently came to this parliament and obtained legislation declaring these roads to be for the general advantage of Canada. The lease which these four companies made -with the Manitoba government is shortly this : They agree to hand over for a period of 999 years the combined system at a rental, for the first ten years, of 8210,000 ; for the next ten years, of 8225,000 ; for the third ten years, of 8275,000 ; for the balance of the term, of 8300,000. The conditions of

the lease place an estimated value upon the whole system of $7,000,000. There is a provision in the lease that at any time during the existence of that lease the government of the province of Manitoba may purchase these roads for $7,000,000, and can assign it to any company or corporation. These are the principal provisions in the lease, which section 1, the only section in the Bill seeks to ratify and confirm.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. JOHN HAGGART (South Lanark).

As the hon. gentleman states, there is only one section in the Bill, which provides that this contract ' shall be binding according to the tenor thereof as to such of the parties thereto as are subject to the legislative authority of parliament.' Does the hon. gentleman mean that the legislature of the province of Manitoba will come under this provision, as being subject to the legislative authority of parliament ?

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LIB
CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

This Bill is to confirm an indenture, the other parties which are subject to the jurisdiction of this parliament, being railway companies which received their entity from this parliament. I want the hon. gentleman to explain whether he intends under this clause to make the legislation binding upon the government of Manitoba. Does that government come under the jurisdiction of this parliament, according to this first clause ?

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LIB

Colin Francis McIsaac

Liberal

Mr. McISAAC.

That is a constitutional question which I am not prepared at this moment to answer. There is a question about the jurisdiction of this parliament and that of the legislature of Manitoba.

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CON
LIB

Colin Francis McIsaac

Liberal

Mr. McISAAC.

That is not a question which we need discuss at this stage.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the second time.


SECOND READING.


Bill (No. 103) relating to an agreement between the government of Manitoba and the Canadian Northern Railway Company, respecting certain railways.-Mr. Mclsaac.


LIB

QUESTIONS.

BEACONS ON THE RIVER RICHELIEU.

LIB

Arthur Aimé Bruneau

Liberal

Mr. BRUNEAU asked :

Which of the departments is invested with the control, maintenance, &c., of the beacons on the River Richelieu, between Sorel and Chambly ?

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES (Hon. Sir Louis Davies).

The control of beacons generally is under the Department of Marine and Fisheries, but the department has no beacons on the Richelieu river, between Sorel and Chambly.

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CARILLON CANAL-REBUILDING GUIDE PIER.

CON

Mr. MONK asked :

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. To whom was the contract for rebuilding the guide pier, Carillon canal, awarded ?

2. Who tendered for said contract ?

3. Who was the highest tenderer ?

4. Who was the lowest ?

5. How many tenders were received ?

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April 15, 1901