April 12, 1901

OTTAWA AND HULL POWER AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LTD.


House in Committee on Bill (No. 25) to incorporate the Ottawa and Hull Power and Manufacturing -Company, Limited.-Mr Champagne. On section 13,


CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

We were told this afternoon by the First Minister that the proper course for this House was to accept the judgment of the committee on a private Bill. It will be within the recollection of lion, gentlemen who were there that the Railway Committee, the other day, struck out a clause identical with this in the Bill relating to the St. Lawrence Lloyds. I can scarcely consent to giving power to this company which was refused- to- another, unless some very strong reason is assigned for so doing'. For one, I am opposed to this class of legislation. It is simply an invitation for this company to go to the Ontario government or the Quebec government and ask for a grant of land. Now, it is quite evident to those of ns who are watching legislation, more particularly of the province of Ontario, that all the valuable pulp wood of Ontario is rapidly passing

Mr. McCreary.

out of tlie hands of the government of the province, and is becoming the property of private individuals. This is an inheritance of the people, and it is unwise on the part of this parliament-and, if I were permitted, I would say on the part of any other government-to foster legislation that will tend in the direction of giving away what properly belongs to the people. It is said that in one instance, a company in the province of Ontario that received a gift of pulp wood, a short time after the grant was made sold one-thirtieth of it for $10,000. The property did not require development, but the moment they got the charter, were awarded by the government a gift of $300,000. Are we justified in promoting legislation that will help this sort of thing 7 True, we are not giving these people any land, but we are putting a clause in the Bill which enables them to accept such a gift, to own it and dispose of it. And, in all probability, it would be disposed of within thirty days at a very large figure, as there is a great demand for that kind of property at the present time. I dare say that legal men will tell us that it makes no difference to the company whether they get this power or not, that they will be able to accept such a gift if it should be offered. But, legal men tell us also that they will have no power to alienate it unless they get a clause like this in the Bill. That is why we should leave out such a clause, because it will compel the company, if they receive suich a gift, to develop iit, and to use it so that the people may get some benefit, and not have the whole value going into the pockets of a favoured few. I am decidedly opposed to this legislation, and I hope the committee will not entertain it, more especially as it was refused to another company. It would be very strange if we gave to this company what the Railway Committee refused to another company within the last ten days. Unless some very strong argument can be advanced in favour of legislation of this kind. I shall vote against it. In fact. I can hardly conceive of any argument that would convince me that legislation leading in the direction of giving away the public domain without compensation should be passed.

Topic:   SUPPLY-IMMIGRATION.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AND HULL POWER AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LTD.
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Section agreed to. On section 17,


CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

What are the sections of the Companies' Clauses Act which are not to apply to this company 7 Will the hon. gentleman who has charge of the Bill -please tell us 7

Topic:   SUPPLY-IMMIGRATION.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AND HULL POWER AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LTD.
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LIB

Louis Napoléon Champagne

Liberal

Mr. CHAMPAGNE.

I have not under my hand the Companies' Clauses Act, and cannot inform the hon. gentleman as to the substance of these sections. Perhaps the hon. gentleman himself could inform the committee on that point.

Topic:   SUPPLY-IMMIGRATION.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AND HULL POWER AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LTD.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I am not in charge of the Bill. As the company is exempted from the operations of these sections, I suppose that-however, I will not press it.

Bill reported, read the third time, and passed.

Topic:   SUPPLY-IMMIGRATION.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AND HULL POWER AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LTD.
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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

LIB

William Manley German

Liberal

Mr. GERMAN.

There are several private Bills standing on the order paper for second reading, to which there will be no opposition. ' I would suggest, with the concurrence of the leader of the opposition, that these Bills be read the second time, so that they can be sent at once to the committees. It will take but a very short time to go through them; whereas if we take the committee stage on these Bills that are standing for that . stage, the chances are the other Bills will not be read the second time until next week. Some of them involve legislation of an important character. I might say that I spoke to the premier about it this afternoon, and he concurred in the idea, and I understand that the leader of the opposition is not averse.

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I would not pretend to dictate at all to the hon. gentlemen who have charge of Bills as to what course they should pursue. Some gentlemen who have Bills standing for a second reading asked me if I had any personal objection to the course suggested by the hon. gentleman (Mr. German), and 1 stated that I would not pretend for a moment to dictate to them what they should do.

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
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LIB

William Manley German

Liberal

Mr. GERMAN.

It will only take a few minutes to get through with the second readings.

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
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CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

There was an important Bill standing for the third reading a day or two ago, and I asked permission of the House to have it called out of order, that is Bill (No. 6) that was in charge of the hon. member for Westmoreland (Mr. Emmerson), who is unfortunately absent from the House by reason of illness in his family, but the House did not assent to that proposition. If the committee is willing to allow that Bill to take its third reading, I am willing to assent to the proposition of the hon. member for Welland (Mr. German).

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
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LIB

Lawrence Geoffrey Power (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I suppose this can only be done with the unanimous consent of the House ?

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CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Will the hon. member for Welland consent to Bill (No. 6) being taken up immediately afterwards 7

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LIB
LIB

John Charlton

Liberal

Mr. CHARLTON.

I suppose that if objection is made to the second reading of any one of these Bills out of their order they will have to stand over 7

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LIB

SECOND READINGS.


Bill (No. 99) respecting Be Credit Fonder du Bas-Canada.-Mr. Geoffrion. Bill (No. 104) to incorporate the Nova Scotia Central Railway Company.-Mr. Fraser. Bill (No. 105) to incorporate the Kamloops and Atlin Railway Company.-Mr. Prior. Bill (No. 106) respecting the South Shore Railway Company.-Mr. Geoft'rion. Bill (No. 107) to confer on the Commissioner of Patents certain powers for the relief of John Abell.-Mr. Bell (Addington). Bill (No. 108) respecting the Manitoulin North Shore Railway Company.-Mr. Dyment. Bill (No. 109) to incorporate the Canadian National Bank.-Mr. German. Bill (No. 110) to incorporate the Debenture and Securities Corporation of Canada.-Mr. Osier. Bill (No. Ill) to incorporate the Interprovincial and James Bay Railway Company.- Mr. Murray. Bill (No. 112) respecting the Montreal and Southern Counties Railway Company.-Mr. Carroll.


ST. LAWRENCE LLOYD'S.

April 12, 1901