April 2, 1901

LIB

Byron Moffatt Britton

Liberal

Mr. BRITTON.

-Certainly a strong appeal, is the same gentleman who is so often ob-Mr. TARTE.

jectiug to the lavish expenditure of this government.

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CON

Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

I have never objected to my knowledge to any expenditure that is guaranteed by the government to any municipality, if that municipality carried out its part of the bargain by supplying a site. In this case the municipality provided a site approved of by the military authorities, a site costing between $140,000 and $150,000. The building contemplated provided quarters for the military and cavalry. What we are asking the government to do is to complete the building. Surely, the hon. gentleman (Mr. Britton), who represents a military city, will not say that it is an unreasonable request. We are not making a piteous appeal at all. We are asking the government to fulfil its part of the contract.

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LIB

Andrew Thorburn Thompson

Liberal

Mr. THOMPSON.

It seems to me that the remarks of the hon. member for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke) are quite in order. Toronto is the finest garrison city we have in Canada, it should have sufficient accommodation supplied for its needs, and I hope it will be supplied.

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CON

Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

We are waiting to hear from the hon. Minister of Public Works.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I am not in a position to give any assurance. The matter does not properly belong to me, but my hon. friend may rest assured that if the Department of Militia and Defence makes up its mind that it is necessary to erect a building there and if parliament gives me the money, I will erect the building all right.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

In ether words, if the government decide to erect the building it will be built.

Windsor drill hall, $50,000.

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CON

William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

Would the hon. Minister of Public Works tell me from whom the site was purchased for the Windsor drill hall, and what was the amount paid for it ?

Topic:   SUPPLY-THE CONTRACT WITH THE CANADIAN PACIFC RAILWAY.
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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

The site has been given free by the municipality.

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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

What will the building cost, completed ?

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

It will cost, completed, $66,609.78.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

This is another illustration of what I spoke of early in the evening. The hon. minister tells us that Windsor has given this site free. When we come to St. Thomas, a place of about a similar size, we pay $8,000 for a site, and at London we purchase a very small site for $11,000. I think the minister should adopt some principle that would be fair to all. If one

city or town gives a site another city should be expected to do the same, or to give a portion of it. I do not think it is right to compel the city of Toronto, or Windsor, to give a site when you go to London and spend every dollar that is necessary to provide a site.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I think what is liapjjening now has happened for the last fifty years. There are towns and cities that have given sites, and there are other places whieh have not given sites. It is quite impossible to have a definite policy. In other words, the government cannot say that if sites are not given we will not erect public buildings, because there are towns and cities where a site would cost too much. There are other localities where sites can be bought more cheaply and they are given free. There are localities that are so anxious to have public buildings that they give sites. 1 need not say that we are always glad when these sites are given free, but I cannot pledge myself never to buy any sites. No minister would do it.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I can tell the hon. minister that his predecessor, Sir Hector Lange-vin, made it a rule generally, to insist upon the town, or city, in which the building was to be erected, giving a site, or a portion of the cost of it. I do not think it would be proper in all cases to compel them to do so, because there are some cases where it would cost a great deal. But, I still hold that it is not fair to one town or city to make it pay every dollar that goes into the site while in other places the government pays for both site and building.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I am sure the hon. gentleman (Mr. Sproule) is mistaken as to what was done in Sir Hector Langevin's time. The very same policy was pursued then that is followed now. In some cases sites were given free, but not usually.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I have been a member of this House a great deal longer than the hon. Minister of Public Works and I think my memory is quite as good as his is. I stand by what I have said. When we would apply to Sir Hector Langevin for money for a public building almost his first question would be : How much is the place going to give ? That was the general rule which he followed.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I do the same thing.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

In regard to public buildings it was the same. The hon. gentleman has spoken from memory, and I think my memory is quite as good as his on this subject.

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CON

Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

I am sure that if the policy of the government is to buy sites in some 81J

places and erect buildings when municipalities are sufficiently liberal to vote sums to provide a site, the least the government can be expected to do is to complete the building that is contemplated to be erected on that site.

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The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

The hon. gentleman (Mr. Clarke) has been on that side for such a length of time that he should have used the strong, able arguments he is using to-night. In former days these arguments did not carry weight. Perhaps they will carry more weight with me. All the same during the last twelve or fifteen years my hon. friend and his friends from Toronto have been vainly insisting upon having that armoury completed. Perhaps it may be better now. We may have better times in Toronto now.

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CON

Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

This is not the first site that the city of Toronto has provided the Militia Department for militia purposes. When the original drill shed was found to be inconvenient the city provided a site in the rear of the city hall. That became too small. The armoury did not provide sufficient accommodation. They bought this new site at the suggestion of the militia authorities, and the plans were prepared for the construction of the building. In view of the fact that the municipality went to that large expense, we are not asking anything unreasonable from the Minister of Public Works when we ask to have provided the additional accommodation required for the garrison.

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April 2, 1901