March 29, 1901

LIB

Fletcher Bath Wade

Liberal

Mr. WADE.

But we want ' Nova Scotia' on top.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SMITH (Wentworth).

It is entirely unnecessary to put on the word ' Canadian.' The barrels can be branded ' A No. 1 Nova Scotia.'

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Fletcher Bath Wade

Liberal

Mr. WADE.

Then, we cannot take advantage of the national brand.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SMITH (Wentworth).

But the hon. gentleman says that it is of no advantage- that the Nova Scotia apples are better.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Fletcher Bath Wade

Liberal

Mr. WADE.

I say it is an advantage to have a mark on the barrel to show that the apples come under this law and are in accordance with the provision of section 6. But there are two classes of apples going into the English market-the Nova Scotian and the Canadian. You should not ask

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Fletcher Bath Wade

Liberal

Mr. WADE.

us to lose the benefit of our distinctive trade mark under which we have been selling.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Matthew Henry Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

If the apple exporters of Nova Scotia want to retain their distinctive mark, there is nothing in this Bill to prevent it. The hon. gentleman (Mr. Wade), it seems to me, wants to have Nova Scotia apples marked ' A No. 1 Canadian ' and so get the benefit of that, and then sell them as Nova Scotian. I got the information from Prof. Robertson in the Agriculture Committee this year that the Nova Scotia apples that they blow about so much were not as good last year as the Ontario apples. The season before last was a very peculiar season for apples in Ontario, and our apples were not up to the usual quality. The hon. gentleman must not think that all the apples grown in Canada are grown in Nova Scotia.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Fletcher Bath Wade

Liberal

Mr. WADE.

I did not hear the hon. gentleman (Mr. Cochrane).

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Matthew Henry Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

I am not blaming you because you don't hear; the trouble with some men is that they do not want to hear anything, because they are so conceited in their own opinion that it would not make any difference if they did hear. The hon. gentleman's argument is that he wants Nova Scotia apples to go into the British market as such, because they are of better quality than any others in Canada. There is nothing in this Bill to prevent him from doing that if he wants to. I am above the idea of saying that the Ontario apples are better or inferior to the Nova Scotia apples.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Seymour Eugene Gourley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOURLEY.

What we want is the truth.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Matthew Henry Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

If the hon. gentleman does not know more about law than he does about apples, I would not wish to have him defend me. I might be hung.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Seymour Eugene Gourley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOURLEY.

You might deserve it.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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CON

Matthew Henry Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

After careful investigation, I have found that the practice is quite different in different sections of the country. There are some parts where the farmers do pack the apples; there are some parts where the shippers have agents, and there are other parts where there are local buyers who put the apples in cold storage and pack them afterwards. It is therefore difficult to lay uown a definite rule in regard to the practice of the trade. It is as difficult and perhaps as unfair as to make comparisons between the quality of the fruit in different parts of the country. One season the fruit from one section is exceptionally fine, and gets a higher price than from another section, while that condition may be reversed the next year. I may tell my hon. friend (Mr. Wade) that last season the Nova Scotia fruit did not do as well in England as the Ontario fruit Rid, although the year before the Nova Scotia fruit was far and away ahead of the Ontario fruit.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Fletcher Bath Wade

Liberal

Mr. WADE.

What about the other years ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I have not gone into that, but the assertion made by my hon. friend was rather sweeping. The 6th and 7th clauses of the Bill are so purely suggestive that I am afraid they have interfered with the discussion of the' Bill.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Jacob Thomas Schell

Liberal

Mr. SCHELL.

This Bill establishes a rule by which you shall sell these apples. Who is going to determine that these apples are up to the standard ? For a number of years I was a shipper of apples and along with those interested with me in the western part of Ontario we shipped probably more than any other firm in that part of the country. Are the Canadian people going to

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

The hon. gentleman does not quite grasp the intention of the Bill, or else his fears are unfounded. This grade is to be judged in Canada, and the Bill provides regulations for the enforcement of the Act. The intention is that some inspectors shall be appointed. The inspection is not compulsory. It is not intended that every package of fruit marked should be inspected, but at the same time the Bill provides that any package of fruit which is marked in a certain way and does not come up to the definition, will lay the packer open to a penalty. The intention is to appoint as many inspectors as may be necessary to carry out the intentions of the Act, and they will be authorized by the Act and by the rules and regulations laid down by order in council to at any time they see fit inspect the fruit which comes under the operation of this Act, and condemn it or not, according to its quality and packing. So far as the reception of the fruit on the other side is concerned, this Act makes no practical difference. No doubt to-day our Canadian shippers as a rule consign to be sold at auction, their fruit is judged there and is sold on its merits. But unfortunately during the last few years such a large amount of fraudulent packing has been found in Canadian fruit that the simple fact that fruit in closed packages comes from Canada, hurts its market value in the old land unless it is marked by a brand which is known there to the trade to be honest. That being the case, we wish to establish a brand, or grade, or a reputation for the Canadian fruit. I suppose in future as in the past Canadian fruit will go forward by the same trade methods. This Bill does not deal with trade methods at

all, and if It goes forward by the present trade methods, we hope that the people of Canada who pack fraudulently will be so deterred by the provisions of this Act that they will cease to pack fraudulently. I am sorry to say that the condition of affairs is such to-day that it will take some time for our Canadian fruit to recover its reputation. The reputation of an article once destroyed is hard to re-establish, and I regret to say that to-day the reputation of the exported fruit of Canada is destroyed. Therefore, our people will have to submit to the disadvantages which some of them have brought upon the whole country for a time, until the honest and reputable men of the fruit trade have so establisned its reputation again that it will be popular in the foreign market.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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LIB

Jacob Thomas Schell

Liberal

Mr. SCHELL.

There is one thing that I think should be put in the Bill more definitely. I agree with the necessity for some legislation in this direction. As to whether the barrels be branded Nova Scotia fruit, or Quebec fruit, or Ontario fruit, is not material. As the minister says, the fruit will be dealt with on its merits in the old country. But I think there should be a declaratory clause in the Bill stating that this Act refers to the branding or the quality, or stating that it does not extend any further than Canada.

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Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

No Act of ours could make it extend any further than Canada.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF FRUIT PACKAGES.
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March 29, 1901