March 29, 1901

LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. FRANK OLIVER (Alberta).

I wish to add my testimony to that of the hou. member for Saskatchewan (Mr. Davis) and the hon. member for Selkirk (Mr. McCreary). In the district which I represent there are cases where accounts which were earned in the early part of November are unpaid yet, and, so far as I know, may lie for four months more before they are paid. The result is that the credit of the government is below par because of the non-payment, and the government is already being compelled to pay higher prices and to make payments in advance for census work that they would not have if these election accounts were paid in proper time. I wish to emphasize the fact that the people of this country do not know anything about the intricacies of the methods of payment out of the treasury. They know thev do certain work, they know that the government of Canada is responsible for the payment, and they look to the government and to their representatives in parliament to see that they are paid honestly. I say that when payment is delayed for four months it is absolute dishonesty, and the people will hold to account those who are responsible for that dishonesty. If the routine is such that these payments cannot be made more promptly, then the routine ought to be changed. If the fault can be located in the person rather than in the system, then certainly the person should either be changed or reformed. It is intolerable that the representatives of the people in this parliament and that the government should be put in such a disgraceful position before the electors of this country, as to seem to be defrauding honest men out of their honestly earned money, and deferring payment for a period extending from four months to an interminable time.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
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LIB

James Moffat Douglas

Liberal

Mr. J. M. DOUGLAS (East Assiniboia).

What these lion, gentlemen have said in reference to the Saskatchewan, Lisgar and Alberta is equally true of the constituency that I have the honour to represent. Day after day I have received complaints in reference to this matter. I do not wish to occupy the time of the House further than to insist strongly that something should be done to facilitate the public business. If the Auditor General has not time to do the work he ought to have an increase in his staff, so as to enable him to overtake the work of the country in proper time.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
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LIB

Andrew Thorburn Thompson

Liberal

Mr. A. T. THOMPSON (Haldimand and Monck).

Lest the House should think that this grievance is entirely confined to the North-west Territories, I wish to say that my constituents are suffering similarly. I had a letter the other day from one of them

in which he asked the very pertinent question as to whether or not the government had become bankrupt, and I was glad to be able to write back to him and assure him that we had a surplus of $8,000,000.

Some lion. MEMBERS. Hear, hear.

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CON

William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

Tell him to draw on it.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
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LIB

Andrew Thorburn Thompson

Liberal

Mr. THOMPSON.

I asked my constituent to have patience for a little while longer, but I would point out to the government that the grievance is a real one, and should be removed.

Mr. ,T. McGOWAN (Centre Wellington). I wish to call the attention of the Minister of Agriculture (Hon. Mr. Fisher) to some complaints sent to me in connection with the tuberculine test of cattle going into the United States. I understand that the minister has been informed of these complaints by letter. Formerly the test was applied by local veterinary surgeons in different parts of the province, but now Mr. Stubbs has been appointed veterinary surgeon for the whole province, and he is located, or supposed to be located, in Toronto. My informants state that it takes about four days to make the test, and those gentlemen who live in my constituency, Messrs. Watts, Groff, Richardson, Armstrong, Lindsay and others, who are men of wnat I might call continental reputation as shorthorn breeders, are put to great inconvenience. They sent their cattle to. the World's Fair, and to other places, and they wish to have local veterinary surgeons apppointed to make the test. They are sending cattle every day to the United States, and the present system is most inconvenient to them. I will send this letter over to the Minister of Agriculture (Hon. Mr. Fisher) so that he will see the nature of the complaint.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (Hon. Sydney Fisher).

There has been a misapprehension in the country in regard to this matter of the testing of cattle for export to the United States with tuberculine. It will not be out of place for me to explain in a few words what has occurred. Some years ago an arrangement was made with the veterinary authorities of the Department of Agriculture at Washington in regard to the quarantine between the two countries. At that time it was decided that animals would have to be tested with tuberculine when passing across the frontier either way, for breeding or dairy purposes. It is only these animals that are subjected to this test.

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L-C

John McGowan

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. McGOWAN.

It is these they complain about.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

The Washington authorities accepted the test made by veterinarians not named by the Department of Agriculture at Ottawa. Difficulties arose, and complaints were made

in regard to some of these certificates. Further complications arose as between the Washington authorities and the Imperial authorities in regard to the importation from the old country, both direct and through Canada, and the Washington authorities made a new regulation of their own department, by which all animals coming into the United States from Europe or Canada for breeding or dairy purposes, had to be tested by a United States veterinary official. They refused any longer to accept the certificates of the English or Canadian veter-inaries. This was evidently going to largely block the trade, and an effort was made to secure some mitigation or improvement in regard to that regulation. After some communication with the Washington authorities, I was invited to go to Washington to discuss the matter personally. About three weeks ago I did so, and I came to an agreement with the American authorities by which they would accept certificates of the permanent officials of the Department of Agriculture of Canada, but no other Canadian veterinarians. As a consequence of that, I have been naming to them the official veterinarians of my department. In order to facilitate the export trade and to enable the breeders in Ontario to secure the test of their cattle, when sold to the United States, as promptly as possible, I have added one or two names to the former official list of our permanent officers. Should it be necessary to add more, I shall he glad to do so, but as this test has just commenced, at the present moment there is undoubtedly a little congestion, and there are a larger number^ of demands at the present time than will likely to be the average in the future, because a large number of men were waiting to ship animals to the United States until this arrangement was completed, and the United States customs officials were ordered to accept the certificates of our veterinaries. In addition to Mr. Stubbs, I have sent two officials of mv department into western Ontario to take up this work, and they are to-day doing the work as rapidly as possible. I am satisfied that when the congestion which has occurred in consequence of the block has passed away, the officials of the department will be able to overtake the work, and do it as rapidly as the breeders require. If not, I shall be happy to name one or two more veterinaries. so as to accomplish the object of the arrangement, and to facilitate the trade in our througlibred cattle with the United States as much as possible; a trade v Inch is of the utmost importance to the farmers of this country.

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L-C

John McGowan

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. McGOWAN.

Would the hon. minister not appoint some local veterinaries ? These gentlemen ask for the appointment of Mr. Armstrong, a veterinary surgeon of Fergus. He is a good Reformer, and there should be no objection on that account.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

I can only appoint the permanent officials of my department, and by the arrangement with the United States, I am not permitted to appoint men at random throughout the country. '

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LIB

Thomas Walter Scott

Liberal

Mr. WALTER SCOTT (West Assiniboia).

Coming back to the subject that occupied our attention before the hon. member for Centre Wellington spoke, I wish to emphasize the protest that has been made respecting the cutting down of these election accounts by the Auditor General. The injustice perpetrated with reference to the cutting down of the accounts for travelling expenses must be clear to every member of the Blouse when the rule is applied to men travelling in a country like the North-west, or indeed any part of Canada, because men passing through the country cannot possibly follow the lines set down by the rule. The cutting down of the other expenses connected with the elections by the Auditor General works considerable injustice, I believe. Several protests have reached me, not so much from my own district, but from other constituencies in the Territories, and also from Manitoba. The gentlemen in the printing business, who worked for the government in connection with the elections. allege that their accounts have been pared down to the extent of 30 per cent, or 40 per cent in some cases. The Auditor General holds that he is not responsible for this, because he is guided by the schedule which has been fixed by the King's Printer. If that be so. then I have to say that the schedule stands in need of revision. Ever since elections have been held there have been many complaints on this score in western Canada. A few days ago, at a meeting of the Western Canada Press Association. held in the city of Winnipeg, this matter was taken up. Tbe meeting was a very representative one of the press of Manitoba and the North-west Territories ; and it was found that all the printers who had to do with the last election had reason to complain on this account, and the association unanimously passed a resolution, strongly protesting. I would ask the members of this House, and the government, to take cognizance of the matter, and endeavour to see if there is no possible way to bring influence to bear upon the Auditor General, or upon the King's Printer, or upon the person who is responsible for these delays in the payment of the accounts, and for the improper and unjust paring down of the accounts.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-EMPLOYMENT OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE.
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LIB

Thomas Osborne Davis

Liberal

Mr. DAVIS.

I wish to say a few words in reference to the question before the House

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LIB

Lawrence Geoffrey Power (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. gentleman has already spoken.

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LIB

Thomas Osborne Davis

Liberal

Mr. DAVIS.

But I wish to speak on a different matter.

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LIB

Lawrence Geoffrey Power (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The only question before the Chair is the motion, that I do leave the Chair, and as the hon. gentleman has spoken to that motion, he has exhausted his right to speak again.

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CON

Nathaniel Clarke Wallace

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. X. CLARKE WALLACE (West, York).

A very remarkable state of affairs is threatened in this country. We are told by the hon. members who have spoken that the government will not be able to procure officers to carry out the census enumeration, the supporters of the government in those constituencies having apparently lost all confidence in the government, and therefore the work which is to be started on the 1st of April, will be indefinitely postponed, if it is ever done at all. We will have to inquire what the government are going to do about the matter. It has just been suggested to me, and I think it is a very good suggestion, that there is an army which was recently in North Bruce, and if it is impossible to get census enumerators otherwise, those artists might be very easily induced to go out there and undertake any kind of duties which the government may require of them.

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LIB

Thomas Walter Scott

Liberal

Mr. SCOTT.

Is the hon. gentleman at .present in communication with any of the members of that army ?

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CON

Nathaniel Clarke Wallace

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WALLACE.

I am not in communication with any of them, but I know their public history very well, and I know that when any kind of work for the government requires to be done, they are at the service of the government to an unlimited extent.

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An hon. MEMBER.

They do not count very well. They did not in North Bruce.

Mr-. MARCIL (Bonaventure). I would

like tlie hon. memberthere is any crookedness in an account, the Auditor General lays it aside, so that he may first dispose of those that are straight. These people were appointed deputy returning officers and returning officers. They thought they were going to have the whole public chest at their command, and that all they had to do was to dip in, and put in enormous bills for services supposed to have been rendered. There is a law regulating what returning officers shall be paid, and what deputy returning officers shall be paid. The Auditor General is bound by that law.

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March 29, 1901