February 26, 1901

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The MINISTER OF FINANCE.

Because he will find the same note applying not only to the post office, but to the railways, to public works and to the Department of Justice, in each of these cases, in order to show that there are appropriations other than those set forth where the note is put in.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

We have now, at any rate, the certainty that the deficit on last year's operations was $461,661.87, plus this special service of $91,580.08, in all a deficit of $553,241.95. Now, I asked the Postmaster General early in the afternoon, what he ex-Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

pected the deficit would be this year. So far as I recollect, he stated that he anticipated that there would be no deficit, or a very small one. Now, we are nearly four months from the end of the fiscal year, and I think the post office must be managed in such a way as to give us an approximate idea, when we are voting these large sums, of what this year's deficit will be. I would ask the Postmaster General this general question, if he thinks the deficit this year, from present appearances, will exceed the sum of half a million dollars ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

I waited for the hon. gentleman to answer the question that I asked him, in view of the statement that was made by the Minister of Finance, how he explains the overlappings, that we deny, by the figures appearing on pages S-11 and 12 of the Auditor General's Report. Turn to 8-12, and he will find: ' Clifford Lewis, semiweekly service to December 31st, 1899, 41 trips, at $28. $1,14S.' That is one item, and is a sample of many others which I will not read. That is a service that really belonged to a part of the year. I am only

pointing that out to settle the question as to whether there are overlappings or not.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

No, that belongs to the year in which it is paid. It belongs to the year 1899-1900.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

It was paid in 1900.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

It was paid in the year in which it was incurred.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Surely the hon. gentleman does not pretend to say that we are now quoting from the Auditor General's Report tor 1899. The Auditor General's Report is for the fiscal year 1900, and has absolutely nothing to do with accounts of former years. The hon. gentleman will not pretend that it is for a service charged in 1899, and which was not paid until the following year. .

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

My instructions to the department, since I took office, have been to have every expenditure for the year paid and charged against the appropriation for that year, and I have made a special appeal to the Department of Finance to keep open the accounts for the year until everything can be included. My officers here assure me that my wishes in that respect have been lived up to, and they are not aware of any accounts for the fiscal year having been allowed to be unpaid until the succeeding year.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

How does the hon. gentleman explain that item ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

That item, on the face of it, is a stateiiient of service rendered to the 31st December, 1899. It is an account for the year from the 1st July, 1899, to the 1st July, 1900, and I do not see where else it could appear. It is for work done up to December 31, 1899, and the first half of the fiscal year covered by the Auditor General's Report. In what other place should it appear ?

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

It commences early in the season, before the 30th June of that year, and, therefore, half of the service had been performed at the end of the fiscal year.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

My hon. friend is quite unfamiliar with the accounts.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

I am not unfamiliar with the accounts.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

The service in the Rainy River district is performed during the summer by water and during the winter by stage. This contractor was performing the service by water or stage. I feel sure upon that point. The water service is performed in the summer by steamers. We have a mail service by stage from Wabigoon, and another service from Rat Portage, 160 miles, following the route of the Rainy river to Fort Francis in

that district. These were very expensive services. This may not be the water service, but the service after the close of navigation. 1 may be in error. I cannot recollect the name of the contractor, but the water service was performed by the company owning the steamboat plying between Rat Portage and Fort Francis.

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John William Bell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BELL (Pietou).

May I ask the hon. Postmaster General to explain how he provided for the deficit of $781,000 that existed in 1896 ? In 1897, the following year, he claimed that he had a comparatively small deficit. How did he provide for that $781,000 of a deficit which existed and which disappeared apparently in some way in the course of the following year ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

My recollection is that the hon. Finance Minister applied to parliament for a vote of $680,000. and that parliament voted the money and wiped the deficit out.

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John William Bell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BELL (Pietou).

How can the hon. Postmaster General, in the face of that, maintain that he should fairly compare that deficit of $781,000 with the deficit which he had apparently in the next year when he admits that to provide for the deficit he got a sum of money given to him by the hon. Finance Minister, by special grant, and which was charged to capital account ? How can he ask an intelligent House and country to accept his statement ? The Postmaster General here informs us that during the year ending June 30, 1896, there was a deficit of $780,000, and that he had only a deficit of $60,000 the next year. He has, I think, conclusively established the contention made by the hon. the ex-Postmaster General (Mr. Haggart), that there was no such deficit for 1896. He has proven that hon. gentleman's contention by the facts and figures given in his own report. There was nothing in the receipts or expenditure of the department in the year 1897, that would ccount for the disappearance of that alleged deficit, and I think we may accept as a matter now satisfactorily established that the deficit did not at all belong to the year terminating on June 30, 1896, but was the increment of a series of arrearages extending over a number of years. Therefore, I think we must charge the hon. Postmaster General with a lack of ingenuousness when he seeks to put the deficit for 1896 at $780,000. as compared with the deficit that existed in the following year. There are one or two matters to which I want to call the attention of the hon. the Postmaster General. 1 suppose he is exceedingly anxious to make his department self-sustaining as soon as possible. I know he is claiming a great deal of credit for cutting down the expenditure by refusing to let contracts to mail carriers without tender, and that he has saved a great deal of money, by, in some cases, breaking up contracts and reletting

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them during the term in which they were to run. I would like to call his attention to the tact that some person is taking liberties with his'' department in the county of Pictou, in Nova Scotia, that he is taking contracts froni men who have efficiently discharged their work, and giving them to others who have not tendered for them. It may be a coincidence, but it is a fact nevertheless, that a man who has been deprived of the privilege of tendering and who has lost two contracts, the requirements of which he has performed in a manner so efficient as to secure the commendation and support of the people of that locality, is a Conservative, and a very active one, and that the gentleman to whom the contract has been given without tender is one, whatever his other qualifications may be, who is a strong supporter of the hon. gentleman and his friends. I am sure the hon. Postmaster General will put that matter right now that I have, in my place, in parliament, brought it to his notice and showed him how seriously some of his officials are departing from that magnificent line of conduct that he marked out for himself when he took office. Mr. Gammon, of Kiver John, was deprived of his contract, and another gentleman, Mr. Ritchie, of River John, received the contract although he did not apparently ask for it. Certainly he did not tender for it. There is another matter. I find, that, like my hon. friend from King's county, N.B. (Mr. Fowler), certain postmasters in Pictou county are marked for destruction or promotion. In many cases, despite largely-signed petitions from those in the neighbourhood, they have been dismissed and the post offices removed to other places for no reason whatever except a political reason. That is a shame. It is a pity that men can be found in our country so small as to covet an office of $10 or $20 a year, and that an administration can be found so contemptible as to listen to the demands of defeated candidates who wish to wreak their vengeance on men who refused to support them, and who stood in a manly fashion by their party. It is a sad thing to know that Canada is governed by a set of men who will lend themselves to such contemptible conduct. Even in cases where Liberal friends asked the post office to be left where it was, at the instance of defeated candidates the whole public service of Canada is being dragged down by the acts of this administration. It is a miserable, petty, jjicayune piece of business. The government is raising up for itself a fine monument in showing that it is the tool of creatures who are capable of asking the dismissal of men holding these small offices, simply on the ground that they refused to vote Liberal.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

I beg to associate myself with the observa-Mr. BELL (Pictou).

tions which have been so well made by my hon. colleague from Pictou (Mr. Bell)" In fact, in view of the rules of the House, I would not like to trust myself to express my own opinion of what I think of these transactions, and of the petty vengeance of the government, which has been referred to. I do not believe that the Postmaster General is cognizant of the facts surrounding that small contract from the town of River John to the station which was obtained during his own term of office. If my information be correct, Mr. Gammon got that contract by tender-, and has done the work to the satisfaction of every one, including the officers of the department. This gentleman who has cut him out did not get the contract, 1 am informed, by open competition. I would like the Postmaster General to take a note of it, because it may not be too late to see that the pettiest party politics of that character should not be permitted to prevail. Mr. Gammon, I am glad to know, is not dependent on that, small contract, and it should be known that he was not cut out of the contract fairly in open competition. If it is not too late by a day or two, the Postmaster General would do no injury to the service or himself if he gets all the facts before him prior to his making this change.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I cannot recall the circumstances of this particular-case

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February 26, 1901