February 22, 1901

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

The Newfield has been lost ?

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. Yes; the Aberdeen takes her place. Otherwise the Aberdeen would be laid up. The expense is the same.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

Then the hon. gentleman has one ship less ?

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. Nominally, yes. But, formerly, when the Newfield was running in the winter, the Aberdeen was laid up at Quebec. Until we can get a ship built to take the Newfield's place, we have transferred the Sir CHARLES HTBBSRT TUPPER.

Aberdeen to the Nova Scotia shore'. But the expense goes on the same.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

As I understand, this amount is required for the maintenance and repairs for a certain fleet. One of the most expensive and valuable of the ships, the Newfield,. has been lost. Yet, the hon. minister says he wants the same amount for maintenance and repairs. Allowing for the time that the Aberdeen is used, the amount required should not be the same, because the Newfield was running from January to December.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

But, when the spring comes, I shall have to make other arrangements to supply the Newfield's place either by chartering another vessel or putting the Minto in the Newfield's place. The Minto was tied up in the summer months.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

That leads up to the question, whether the minister proposes to charter a vessel ?

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

No, I propose to put the Minto on, after she has done her winter navigation work, in lieu of the Aberdeen, which goes to Quebec.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

Has the hon. minister any vessel that will do the special work, the cable work, that the Minto used to do ?

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

No.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

Is it proposed to have a vessel for that work 7

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

Yes. The Public Works Department, as I understand, propose to charter a vessel for that work, because the cable has to be laid to Belle Isle in the spring. The Newfield was about proceeding to that work last fall when she was lost.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

Is the Marine Department going to abandon the idea of taking charge of these vessels ?

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

No.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

It seems to me a pity to have the Marine Deportment, which has its special officers, nautical men, men who are acquainted with the repairing and the handling of ships, give up the charge of these vessels, and allow other departments to run vessels on their own account. It would add unnecessary expense. Some years ago a gradual concentration of that work was made under the Marine Department. In old times, for instance, the Customs Department had the management of a ship or two, and the

Marine Department took charge of these vessels. Now, it would appear, instead of replacing the Newfield, as ought to be done -for she did good work for the country-it j it proposed that the Public Works Department shall provide their own cable ship.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

I think I mislead the hon. gentleman in that. I am having prepared plans and specifications of a ship for the construction of which I propose to call tenders at an early date. The new ship will take the place of the Newfield.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

As a cable and marine ship ?

construction of both these ships in Canada ; and as my hon. friend says, even if it does cost a few thousand more, it will be in the general interest of the country that the money should be spent here, when that can he done, so that we may help along this great national industry.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

1 am delighted to hear the observations of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, and I hope he will be able to inspire his colleagues with the same spirit.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

I am glad to say that they are of the same opinion.

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

Yes. I have communicated to the Minister of Public Works the fact that I am prepared to build a ship on these lines and with that accommodation, if it is agreeable to him. I am not in a position to say that he has absolutely assented to that, but I have no reason to believe that he will not.

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Charles Hibbert Tupper

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER.

That will be a costly ship. In that connection, has the hon. gentleman given attention to the efforts being made at Halifax to establish an iron ship building industry, and has he considered how far the government would be able to go on encouraging that enterprise, even if they have to pay a little more, by having the next large ship required for the use of the government on that coast built in Canada ?

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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

I have given that matter a good deal of consideration and, as much as two months ago, I had the whole matter reported upon by the officers of my department. I appreciate fully the importance of this great industry of building iron and steel ships in this Dominion. So far as the government is concerned, it will be my earnest desire to do what I can to further the initiation of that great industry. 1 made a report to my colleagues on the subject and suggested the desirability, when tenders are being called for, of calling for tenders in the Dominion of Canada for the construction of these ships. 1 had obtained beforehand an estimate of the increase in the cost of building in Canada, and submitted that to my colleagues, and although the report has not yet been finally adopted, they viewed the suggestion very favourably, and I think the conclusion will be to call for tenders in the Dominion of Canada for these ships. When I say ' these ships,' I include the Newfield, which is to take her place on the Nova Scotia shore, and also the Druid, which has been reported as worn out and useless, and as too dangerous to undertake another season's navigation, and for which a new ship will have to be substituted. It is my intention to call for tenders for the

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February 22, 1901